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    Houghton Street was once a busy street connecting Williamson Square and Clayton Square. It is still there but one side is taken up by St John’s Market and the other by what were George Henry Lee’s and Owen Owens. This is an interesting colour photograph taken just before the buildings were demolished to make way [...]


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    Many thanks for this one Colin. I find this one a 'mind-bender'

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    Colin, I cant get my head around which direction are we looking?

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    Facinating, this era seems to be a neglected part of our history.

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    The bend in the street where the Chinese restaurant is, is where the the base of the tower is. You are looking towards Clayton Square and the corner of the square is seen. The path of the street is still there. You can see the buildings have been neglected because of the CPOs. Owen Owen is on he right of the picture. just off frame. A part of it can bee seen if you double click the picture.

    We lost a hell of a lot around that area. If they were here today renovated they would add so much character.

    Clayton Square ceased to be a square as such when tram lines were run straight through it. Then the building of Owen Owen did the rest.

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    Now I get it, Thanks waterways. The road looks alot wider as well. I know this sounds stupid, but I didnt think there was a chinese restaurant back there in the 60s. I didnt even know we ate chinese food over here unless of course you where chinese . . Most probably because my mum was an old fashioned good english food freak. and I led a sheltered life. ha ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindac8941 View Post
    Colin, I cant get my head around which direction are we looking?
    I had to stare at it for ages before I could make it out ! I don't remember it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindac8941 View Post
    Now I get it, Thanks waterways. The road looks alot wider as well. I know this sounds stupid, but I didnt think there was a chinese restaurant back there in the 60s. I didnt even know we ate chinese food over here unless of course you where chinese . . Most probably because my mum was an old fashioned good english food freak. and I led a sheltered life. ha ha.
    You can see Lewis' building in the background. The road was narrowed.Chinese food? We have a whole China Town. Chinese restaurants were everywhere. Few Indian's were around.
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    The cars are. Left to right. Austin Cambridge estate, Looks like a Hillman Minx, Ford Popular, Austin A35, MG Magnette, Austin van (green) In the road a Wolsey 1500. I don't know the names of the people.

    The corner of Elliot St is where the green van is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    I had to stare at it for ages before I could make it out ! I don't remember it at all.

    me neither, but saying that I was only a kid at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    You can see Lewis' building in the background. The road was narrowed.Chinese food? We have a whole China Town. Chinese restaurants were everywhere. Few Indian's were around.
    yes, but cos I was only a child, I wouldnt have noticed and had never even heard of china town and didnt know or go to that side of Liverpool atall. Still dont know over chinatown way, think I have been twice. Once to look at the chinese gate, and once in the evening for a meal. ha ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindac8941 View Post
    yes, but cos I was only a child, I wouldnt have noticed and had never even heard of china town and didnt know or go to that side of Liverpool atall. Still dont know over chinatown way, think I have been twice. Once to look at the chinese gate, and once in the evening for a meal. ha ha
    I had relatives that lived in it. It you went to a restaurant it was always Chinese, as there was few others. Steak place? We didn't know what they were. I thought all restaurants were Chinese and all chips shops run by Chinese selling Chinese take-aways. I was amazed that chips shops elsewhere sold only fish, chips and some pies.
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    When I was growing up. I only ever knew one chinese chippy, and my schoolfriends dad had that, in Muirhead Avenue. I never went to it, but did frequent it a few years earlier when English People had it. ha ha Just goes to show how different two sides of a city where at the time.

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    I reckon the building on the other side of the tram in this LRO pic is the same one shown at the far end of Colin's.

    http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dser...Image=4054.jpg

    It might help if I tell you that is in Clayton Sq. oops

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindac8941 View Post
    When I was growing up. I only ever knew one chinese chippy, and my schoolfriends dad had that, in Muirhead Avenue. I never went to it, but did frequent it a few years earlier when English People had it. ha ha Just goes to show how different two sides of a city where at the time.
    I had relatives in West Derby and it was like going to the Outer Limits to me. Nothing seemed to happen there. Few people in the streets. I only knew streets full of people. People everywhere, of all types. Foreign sailors were common. Coolie crews playing football in their bare feet with the locals on waste ground. Chinese women in long platts walking down the road in a line behind each other on tip-toes in dark blue short Chairman Mao type tops. West Indian kids, local black Liverpool kids, the lot. Few Indian, but a friendly Egyptian with big mustache ran a local shop.
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    Correct.

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    Wow Waterways it must have been exciting seeing all those exotic looking people, well it would have been to me. As far as I know, there where no ethnic minority groups/families living in my area whilst I was growing up, if there where I dont ever remember seeing them. How times have changed. I have Chinese/Black/Malaysian/ Indian friends now. And love listening to there stories of life back in their native countries. I find it fascinating to know all about their cultures . My friend who comes from Zimbabwe loves Liverpool, but deep down her heart is still back in her own country and always will be. She talks about her family, and of her grandmother who still lives in a little village. I have saw photos and the grandmother practically lives in poverty. Sorry if I have gone off thread. I do get carried away. hahaha

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    The Golden Phoenix Chinese restaurant moved not far away just inside St John's Precinct when it was built. They had a branch in Hanover Street which has just closed down.

    http://www.goldenphoenix.co.uk/
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindac8941 View Post
    Wow Waterways it must have been exciting seeing all those exotic looking people, well it would have been to me.
    No it wasn't exciting. It was normal to me, as that is all I knew.

    As far as I know, there where no ethnic minority groups/families living in my area whilst I was growing up, if there where I dont ever remember seeing them. How times have changed. I have Chinese/Black/Malaysian/ Indian friends now. And love listening to there stories of life back in their native countries. I find it fascinating to know all about their cultures . My friend who comes from Zimbabwe loves Liverpool, but deep down her heart is still back in her own country and always will be. She talks about her family, and of her grandmother who still lives in a little village. I have saw photos and the grandmother practically lives in poverty. Sorry if I have gone off thread. I do get carried away. hahaha
    Zimbabwean? The Whenwees. When we were in Zimbabwe. I married one. She didn't like Liverpool that much. A nice place and the people are wonderful.
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    My friend Sukhulo went home last Christmas to see her family, her dad is away alot of the time, as he had to find work in South Africa, so even tho her parents are still married, they live apart for the majority of the time. Thats quite sad really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindac8941 View Post
    My friend Sukhulo went home last Christmas to see her family, her dad is away alot of the time, as he had to find work in South Africa, so even tho her parents are still married, they live apart for the majority of the time. Thats quite sad really.
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    Fantastic Photograph again Colin......and what a tragic loss!

    I hate the City Council, they've done more damage to Liverpool than the Luftwaffe!




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    A fantastic photo. The dogleg street line is still there now, pedestrianised. I'd never seen what was here before, and in colour too - wow. Looks better than what's there now.
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    Not a parking meter in sight and even a parking space. When I first started driving, getting around Liverpool was a dream, also I was a little kid when this photo was taken.

    When I look at these photos I always wonder what Liverpool would have been like if Merseyrail was created in the 1940-50s and not 1970s, with the tunnel to Everton plan instead of the Loop. The city would have been so much easier to get around and dictated that certain centres would remain due to proximity to an underground station, as in London. An earlier and slightly more comprehensive Merseyrail would have held back the intrusion of the car which tore huge parts of the city away.
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    I remember going to the opening of St Johns Tower, when the Queen was there. Unfortunetly the only glimpse I got of the Queen was her red hat! I do however remember going up to the top of the tower. It was amazing up there, looking down over Liverpool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindac8941 View Post
    I remember going to the opening of St Johns Tower, when the Queen was there. Unfortunetly the only glimpse I got of the Queen was her red hat! I do however remember going up to the top of the tower. It was amazing up there, looking down over Liverpool.

    I worked on the tower when under construction, as a kid. Just a raw concrete pole with two concrete saucers and small crane on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    Here is Houghton St leading on to Tyrer St in 2009, at the back of Tesco Metro.
    I have posted this before
    Joe, that is Houghton Lane.
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    I have had a few people asking what was the name of the pub in the photograph - it was The Belmont.

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    Thanks for the pic Colin! (and Waterways) I remember the street well! perhaps my memory fails me,but I thought it was Blacklers building not Owen Owen's on the corner? I think Owen Owens was on London Road at that time! Hope I'm not causing confusion!!!!

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    Hi Norm, Blacklers was on the corner of Great Charlotte Street - which is out of the photograph (you had to go from Clayton Square towards Lime Street up Elliot Street). Owen Owens is on the right of the photograph (it was separated from George Henry Lees by Houghton Lane) and is now a Tesco Metro. TJ Hughes was/is on London Road.

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