As we know, even newspapers can't be guaranteed to report facts either
As we know, even newspapers can't be guaranteed to report facts either
Hi Fortinian.
Thanks for your PM.
I did send a detailed reply, but I can't seem to find it now.
I couldn't figure out if you were for Local Historians or not.
(You should be included with them, anyway.)
Tom Slemen obviously isn't a LH, but he knows what to do to make a penny or two.
My major point was about Wikipedia (which you didn't pick up on).
And I'm genuinely interested in which Local Historians you give a wide berth to.
(Do we agree?)
Sorry if I seemed defensive - I didn't mean to.
Last edited by PhilipG; 04-04-2008 at 11:36 AM.
How true.Originally Posted by Ged
As we know, even newspapers can't be guaranteed to report facts either
Ok Miss Z's just came in with the following info from Frank Carlyle...
There's been xrays performed on the pyramid showing Mackenzie sat in an upright position.
Not saying this isn't true as I've spoken to Frank Carlyle on E-mail before but I don't believe that standard Xray can go through that amount of stone and what would it produce? Doesn't X-ray have to only work on certain things for it to actually produce a picture?
Wouldn't it be microgravity that would only work?
"microwaves" ?
Sorry Cad, even microgravity would be useless to tell if William Mackenzie is buried there as
"The Microgravity technique in the context of civil engineering consists of measuring minute variations in the gravitational pull of the Earth and interpreting the presence of voids and cavities from these readings."
At most (if at all considering the moument is above ground) it would just tell us if the monument is hollow or not.
As for the x-rays, when were they done and who payed for all that specialist equipment and technicians? In the course of my research this is the first time i've heard of these x-rays.
Last edited by fortinian; 04-09-2008 at 09:29 AM.
I've been doing some more work,
someone asked for a picture of him - i've got one here
Here is an up close shot of the cartouch above the portal. The motto reads: 'Always Faithful'.
The other interesting part of the story (Slemen's I mean) concerns thirty-three bodies that were found preserved in salt in a cellar in Liverpool. This story is true, much to my surprise. There was a Scottish connection but non with William Mackenzie. Two men were found guilty of grave robbing, Rev. James Macgowan and a man called William Gillespie alias. John Henderson.
The bodies were found to come from the parish workhouse graveyard which was adjacent to the school run by Rev. Macgowan. The bodies would have been worth up to £500 on the medical blackmarket in Glasgow where they were headed for.
Last edited by fortinian; 08-20-2008 at 12:16 AM.
That sounds familiar.
I'd read that years before Slemen came on the scene.
Hope Street, wasn't it?
Can't remember salt being mentioned, but that might just be my memory.
You're quite right, it was Hope Street. The crime caused some national coverage, especially among the medical profession who were trying to make it easier for bodies to be used legally in dissections.
The casks were labeled 'bitter salts' and had apparently been under Mcgowans house for at least three months before being shipped to George's Dock for transport to Glasgow.
I'd be interested to find out where you first heared or read this story!
[QUOTE=fortinian;138318]You're quite right, it was Hope Street. The crime caused some national coverage, especially among the medical profession who were trying to make it easier for bodies to be used legally in dissections.
The casks were labeled 'bitter salts' and had apparently been under Mcgowans house for at least three months before being shipped to George's Dock for transport to Glasgow.
I'd be interested to find out where you first heared or read this story![/QUOTE]
It's in Richard Whittington-Egan's "Tales of Liverpool: Murder, Mayhem & Mystery" (1985), pp 15 to 19.
I've got two copies, if you want to buy one.
Last edited by PhilipG; 06-30-2008 at 09:00 PM.
This is one of the stories told on the 'Shiverpool' tour. They show you the house where it took place. I forget the number but the house is more towards the Everyman end rather than the Mount st end.
I had heard the tale before.
it was number 8 at the time, although I'm not sure if its been renumbered since.
Cheers for the offer, I already have the major RWE books - I don't know why I didn't pick up on that first! I feel a bit dumb now.
It will have been renumbered.
At first street numbers ran consecutively down one side of the road and carried on down the other, so the highest number was opposite number 1.
Besides, in the 1820s when this case happened there weren't many houses in Hope Street, and most of them were at the Mount Pleasant end.
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