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    My name's Emma Gill and George Kelly's my late Great Uncle. He was my Grandma's brother. I am doing a lot of research at the moment into the case. I have just discovered this website and have read some of the members' comments regarding my Uncle Georgie. I am sure I can rely on the knowledge and warmth of all you scoucers with this most importantly if any of you know of any details of the case being made into a film etc.

    There is an awful lot that I do know, privately within my family and I wish sometimes it were known publicly of the mental torment and heartbreak endured to my great grandparents and grandparents and great uncles during the trial and after Uncle Georgie's execution. To this day we still carry the scars and heartache in many different ways.


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    I know there is still a lot of interest in the Cameo Cinema Murder in Liverpool. I don't live in the City but am up there regularly and follow the Mighty Reds all the time. Fingers crossed with Barca next month!!

    I look forward to hearing from anyone who has any thoughts.

    All the best.

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    A little bit before my time, but I read the book a few years ago by Barry Shortall.

    Very interesting imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmagill View Post
    Hi

    My name's Emma Gill and George Kelly's my late Great Uncle. He was my Grandma's brother. I am doing a lot of research at the moment into the case. I have just discovered this website and have read some of the members' comments regarding my Uncle Georgie. I am sure I can rely on the knowledge and warmth of all you scoucers with this most importantly if any of you know of any details of the case being made into a film etc.

    There is an awful lot that I do know, privately within my family and I wish sometimes it were known publicly of the mental torment and heartbreak endured to my great grandparents and grandparents and great uncles during the trial and after Uncle Georgie's execution. To this day we still carry the scars and heartache in many different ways.

    I know there is still a lot of interest in the Cameo Cinema Murder in Liverpool. I don't live in the City but am up there regularly and follow the Mighty Reds all the time. Fingers crossed with Barca next month!!

    I look forward to hearing from anyone who has any thoughts.

    All the best.

    Emma Gill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein View Post
    Perhaps if you approach Tom Slemen and ask him you may get a few leads
    I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published.
    George Skely, author of The Cameo Conspiracy is the man to contact, he's even been kind enough to post how to get in touch with him here.

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    Hi all

    I received an email recently from George Skelly, author the Cameo Conspiracy, telling me that the screenplay of his version of the Cameo story is now with movie producers, and the film's development is going ahead.

    Emma, knowing that George's father, James Skelly, was a friend of the wrongfully convicted and hanged George Kelly, I am sure that the film portrayal will help to set the record right about what happened at the Cameo theatre and in the aftermath.

    Best regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi all

    I received an email recently from George Skelly, author the Cameo Conspiracy, telling me that the screenplay of his version of the Cameo story is now with movie producers, and the film's development is going ahead.

    Emma, knowing that George's father, James Skelly, was a friend of the wrongfully convicted and hanged George Kelly, I am sure that the film portrayal will help to set the record right about what happened at the Cameo theatre and in the aftermath.

    Best regards

    Chris
    Yes you're right, I heard a production is now in full gear... finally!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianLad View Post
    Yes you're right, I heard a production is now in full gear... finally!!!
    No. No production in full gear at all. George Skelly hasnt finished the screenplay yet.

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    I was introduced to Mr Skelly at a reception on the Wirral last week. We had a fascinating talk. He told me he is working all hours of the night on completing his book on the Cranborne Road murder, and simultaneously completing his screenplay of The Cameo Conspiracy. And, at the same time is involved in a lengthy legal process on another miscarriage of justice. When asked by a colleague how he found the time, he just replied, "With great difficulty". I'll bet!

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    What a guy!

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    sorry, just heard producer Colin McKeown was producing a film about it... looking forward to George's film.

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    anyone know the exact address of the Cameo, was it above (north of) the Garrick Street split, cause in the book they say he went south towards Smithdown street.. but in one of the pick it shows Garrrick street to what looks like the left.. any help?

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    A good friend, my street directory, has informed me that it was addressed at Webster Road, next door to 92. The cinema didn't have a number because it was a converted church and churches were never numbered. It was on the corner of Bird Street.
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    Emma, knowing that George's father, James Skelly, was a friend of the wrongfully convicted and hanged George Kelly, I am sure that the film portrayal will help to set the record right about what happened at the Cameo theatre and in the aftermath.

    Best regards

    Chris


    James Skelly was George`s eldest brother, not his father, who was with George Kelly on the day of the murders.
    cheers.
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    Since Yo Liverpool has recently been "modernised", I cant access it from my Google list. Anyone any answers as to how to quickly access it?

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    Kong, do you mean that Skelly's father and not his brother was with Kelly on the day of the murder? That puts the whole defence/alibi in tatters!
    According to the book Jimmy Skelly was supposed to have been with Kelly all day and part of the night, not Skelly's dad, whose name was Johnnie.

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    and I'm sure if Colin Mckeown is doing the film it'll be great..

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    James Skelly was George`s eldest brother, not his father, who was with George Kelly on the day of the murders.
    cheers.
    Kong.


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    Please read AGAIN.

    Jimmy Skelly was Georges ELDER BROTHER, NOT HIS FATHER.
    He was with George Kelly on the day of the murders.

    Do I make myself clear????@???

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    Sorry Kong, but you need to check your English grammar. Your misplacement of the commas, makes it read that Skelly's father was with him on the day!

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    Hi, do you know what the weather was like on that fateful night?
    Was it raining, or foggy? and I know it was 9pm, and March, but how dark was it, and was there a full moon?....I was twelve at the time of this crime, and lived not far from where
    George Kelly lived (I lived just off Crown St), and it always stuck with me, that a man who lived so close to me could be hanged.And be so innocent of said crime.
    I am hoping to finish a picture of the Cinema soon, but for accuracy in capturing the scene
    I need to know what the climate was like that dreadful night.
    Thank You


    ( DRUFTER)

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    Seeing Captain Kong's alert on another thread some time ago about a blog by George Skelly, author of The Cameo Conspiracy, I finally located it simply by typing into Google, "Skellysworld".
    Having previously read Mr Skelly's book, I was pleasantly surprised to discover from his blog what a wide spectrum of other issues he writes about - and in such an entertaining fashion. He is obviously very politically astute and seems to have a wide knowledge of politics. But he can also be humourous and light- hearted. His frequent satirical despatches from Fantasy Island ["formerly Great Britain" ) are very funny but also a sad comment on the state of Britian today.
    A very amusing, entertaining but also very thoughtful Blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published.

    Not entirely Phil, Tom also investigates local crime and murders - he has covered Madge Kirby murder,The Cameo and is currently ( Hes been writing it for aggggeeeeessssssss) as book about a new Ripper Suspect

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    Hi all

    I received the following email from George Skelly who corrects me on a couple of points in my last post.

    Chris

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    Hi Chris,

    thanks for your email and for explaining matters on Yo Liverpool website.

    A few "amendments" which I don't mind you putting on the site :-

    (a)I no longer live at Portland Court so correspondent ("PhilipG"?) has got it wrong!

    (b)Mr Slemen, to my knowledge has not done any research on the Cameo Murders nor published any new or original material or book. He has simply regurgitated, in local press articles, the material I, and Shortall, uncovered. Indeed in a magazine article ("Taxi Talk") a few years ago, he actually maintained that Kelly was the Cameo killer!

    (c)Sorry Chris, but James Skelly was not my father, he was my eldest brother by 18 years!

    Hope you are well - carry on with the poetry - it's very good.

    Kind Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi all

    I received the following email from George Skelly who corrects me on a couple of points in my last post.

    Chris

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    Hi Chris,

    thanks for your email and for explaining matters on Yo Liverpool website.

    A few "amendments" which I don't mind you putting on the site :-

    (a)I no longer live at Portland Court so correspondent ("PhilipG"?) has got it wrong!

    (b)Mr Slemen, to my knowledge has not done any research on the Cameo Murders nor published any new or original material or book. He has simply regurgitated, in local press articles, the material I, and Shortall, uncovered. Indeed in a magazine article ("Taxi Talk") a few years ago, he actually maintained that Kelly was the Cameo killer!

    (c)Sorry Chris, but James Skelly was not my father, he was my eldest brother by 18 years!

    Hope you are well - carry on with the poetry - it's very good.

    Kind Regards,

    George.

    Not me George!

    I haven't heard of Portland Court (or you, for that matter).

    Do please check what you're saying when you're naming somebody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi all

    I received the following email from George Skelly who corrects me on a couple of points in my last post.

    Chris

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    Hi Chris,

    thanks for your email and for explaining matters on Yo Liverpool website.

    A few "amendments" which I don't mind you putting on the site :-

    (a)I no longer live at Portland Court so correspondent ("PhilipG"?) has got it wrong!

    (b)Mr Slemen, to my knowledge has not done any research on the Cameo Murders nor published any new or original material or book. He has simply regurgitated, in local press articles, the material I, and Shortall, uncovered. Indeed in a magazine article ("Taxi Talk") a few years ago, he actually maintained that Kelly was the Cameo killer!

    (c)Sorry Chris, but James Skelly was not my father, he was my eldest brother by 18 years!

    Hope you are well - carry on with the poetry - it's very good.

    Kind Regards,

    George.
    Not me George!

    I never said that Tom Slemen had published anything regarding the cameo murders,or did i say that Tom maintained that the murderer was Kelly - all i said was ask Tom Slemen he might have a few points for you to the poster of this thread.
    I have been a member of Toms forum and i know that he use to have a large Murder and local crime section on his forum and that the Cameo murders was disscussed heavily on one thread - just trying to point in a friendly direction to the poster as i know that the people that visit Toms site and Tom himself have a vast knowledge of local issues far reaching than any published book.

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    All I've said on this thread is the following:

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    "I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published."

    I've never heard of George Skelly, and have no idea why he mentioned my name.

    But haven't I already said that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    All I've said on this thread is the following:

    Quote:
    "I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published."

    I've never heard of George Skelly, and have no idea why he mentioned my name.

    But haven't I already said that?
    Hello Philip and Emmanuel

    Sorry for the mixup, guys. It was in fact SteH who gave a link to an old message on icLiverpool giving contact information for George Skelly, author of The Cameo Conspiracy, but George says the information is not current. It so happened that you, Philip G, were quoted in the same post of SteH's which led to the mixup. George is unfamiliar with this forum and it was an honest mistake, sorry! Anyway, George has sent the following. We do note, Philip, that you also had said, "I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove. Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published." Absolutely true. Emmanuel, granted that Tom Slemen has a forum on which crime history has been discussed. George Skelly simply wishes to point out that Mr Slemen is not an expert on the Cameo case.

    Chris,

    not being a member of your forum I would be grateful if you could post this email.

    It seems I have upset your correspondent "PhilipG". On closer scrutiny the remarks which I attributed to him, to which I made my "amendments", were by "Emmanuel Goldstein" and "StephH".

    "PhilipG", however, states that I should check before "naming" people. In my defence may I point out that when I mentioned his "name" it was not his full name (which I do not know) and is, I presume, either an abbreviation or a pseudonym. Secondly, I did put a question mark after his "name" to indicate that I was asking if it was he. Quite different from "naming" somebody as such.

    As for Mr Slemen, of whom one of your correspondents asserts has much more local knowledge than that contained in a published book - that may apply in general to many people. I don't profess to be knowledgeable in the least about ghosts or the supernatural (mainly because I do not believe in either). I do however feel that your correspondent should appreciate that the "published book",
    The Cameo Conspiracy, was the result of at least 40 years intimate knowledge and ongoing research.

    Kind regards,

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    Ironically, what I was implying was that either of the two books would be a better source of information than Tom Slemen on the Cameo case.
    But I didn't know the names of the authors.
    But I'm less inclined to read them now that I know one of the authors throws names about without checking his facts.
    It's no excuse to say he put in a question mark and assumes that "PhilipG" is some sort of alias.
    George Skelly says he doesn't know my full name, but a lot of people on this forum do, and if Mr Skelly had known my full name I suspect he would have used it.
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