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    The black sheep of the family? The rise and fall of Hitler's scouse nephew

    He was born in Liverpool in 1911, a product of the romance between the Fuhrer's brother and his Irish sweetheart. Now the extraordinary story of William Patrick Hitler is coming to the stage. By Jonathan Brown and Oliver Duff

    The year 1911 was one of Liverpool's most turbulent. Tension among the city's seamen was to spill over into a general transport strike that would paralyse the "Second Port of the Empire" for 72 days and bring hardship to the thousands of families dependent on the men's wages.


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    But for a young Irish woman living in a tiny flat at 102 Upper Stanhope Street in the Toxteth area, the times were good. Bridget Dowling had met the man of her dreams at a horse show in her native Dublin the previous year. With his handsome features, fashionable clothes, and handlebar moustache the young Austrian, called Alois, appeared every inch a man of the world.

    Telling her he was a wealthy hotelier studying the industry in other parts of Europe, he swept the impressionable 17-year-old off her feet. "Everything he said was so new and interesting that even his broken English seemed charming," she later recalled.

    But the course of Bridget's love was not to run smoothly. As the couple enjoyed trysts at Dublin's National Gallery and planned a future together, the girl's father, William, was growing concerned about the relationship. Not least because he had discovered his daughter's suitor was a waiter in the Shelbourne Hotel - a position he had been sent to by a London employment agency.

    Pre-empting their disapproval, Bridget and her boyfriend eloped to London and were married on 3 June 1910. The wedding infuriated William Dowling who tried to have Alois arrested for kidnap. But by 1911, peace had broken out in the family and Bridget's father had made the sea journey to Liverpool to attend the baptism of his first grandchild. The child's name was William Patrick Hitler.

    The boy was to grow up to be regarded as one of the most notorious scoundrels of the 20th century. A man who tried first to cosy up to, then to blackmail and to betray, before finally trying - for the rest of his lifetime - to conceal his relationship with his uncle, Adolf Hitler. Next year, British theatre audiences will have the opportunity to learn more about his extraordinary life when the New York playwright Mark Kassen brings his play Little Willy to the West End.

    The one-hour show has already proved a hit with US audiences and critics. The New York Times described the character created by Kassen as "a parastic, failed careerist who had not one moral or political conviction that he wouldn't sell for a dime."

    History has not been kind to William Hitler. Little is known of his early life growing up in Liverpool except that, like many around them, the family was poor. William's father ran a restaurant on Dale Street, a boarding house on Parliament Street and a hotel at Mount Pleasant. But his skills as a businessman were lacking and he was eventually made bankrupt.

    Much attention has been focused on a visit to the family said to have been made at this time by his down-and-out half brother. In her memoirs, My Brother Adolf, Bridget said the future Führer stayed with the family between November 1912 and April 1913.

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    In a bizarre twist of fate this very property where he was born and where Adolph Hitler was said to have stayed was the last building in Liverpool to be bombed in WW2.

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    Cool hitlers home...

    does the family still live there???

    Lemmo...

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    you mean, do they still live in L'pool (and not the bombed house) ...

    I seem to recall reading something about the family going to USA. They have taken great pains to conceal their family identity with the Hitler link.
    Don't think there are any off-spring remaining in L'pool.

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    Mike Royden's Liverpool history site has all about the Liverpool Hitlers

    http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/...nliverpool.htm

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    Thanks for that. it looks like a good read, I've bookmarked it for later.

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    Cool

    thanks for that Robbo 176...

    that was a great read and very interesting to ponder...

    we don't know do we who we are living next to, so I like to keep my romantic options open...

    right at the end, I would like to think that his downfall came when he was pesuaded to watch Everton...

    that would drive anyone to want to be a dictator...

    thanks again for the link...

    Lemmo...

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    The Hitler Family Documentary - Tonight Saturday 19th August 7:10pm on Channel 4

    19:10 The Hitler Family [subtitles]
    Hitler was a master maker of myths, and one of his most lasting legacies is the legend of a 'Fuhrer without a family'. It is a myth that persists to this day. With new research The Hitler Family can reveal who the Fuhrer's family really were.

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    Cool hitler's a toffee

    hey FKoE

    pity it is not on here in OZ, do you know of anyone who could video tape it..?

    anyway mate, this is a strange topic and i don't think it will go away until there is some more real evidence one way or another

    Cheers,

    Lemmo...

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    If it comes up on UKNova I will let you know
    You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
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    Cool hitler doco...

    Thanks shytalk...

    Lemmo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
    In a bizarre twist of fate this very property where he was born and where Adolph Hitler was said to have stayed was the last building in Liverpool to be bombed in WW2.
    William Patrick Hitler was baptised at St. Patrick's church on Park Place Liverpool 8 by Monsr Curry. Monsr Curry died in 1979 dropping dead in Paradise St - he was at one church all his life. He also told corny jokes. The church records clearly show the baptism of William Patrick.

    Royden dismisses Bridget Hitlers claim that Hitler came Liverpool as fantasy - Hitler denied it, as he did with many parts of his past. Many thought there is no reason to hide the fact he went to Liverpool to stay with his brother, so assume he never went to Liverpool. Bridget was always adamant that Adolph did visit when questioned a few times on this point. Researchers have put a gap in Hitler’s life at the time Bridget says he was in Liverpool - Bridget would not know this. He was dodging the Austrian army, so embarrassing to say where he was at the time. This gives Bridget’s claim that Hitler was in Liverpool some real meat.

    As there is no firm evidence to say Hitler was not in Liverpool atb the time, the evidence suggests he was in Liverpool.
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    Cool hitler supports everton...

    thanks waterways...

    i love facts and not just theories...

    great stuff..

    Lemmo...

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    The Problem is, the issue of Hitlers supposed visit to Liverpool coincides with Hitler being supposedly homeless and a vagabond in Vienna..

    And at least Mike Royden had done enough research on the basic facts and background to know Hitlers christian name was Adolf and not Adolph.

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    JohnLemmon,
    The Hitler Family is now available for download on UKNova.
    You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
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    Just watched it, youse Brits always were good at documentaries.
    You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
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    The Hitler who lived in Upper Stanhope Street
    Aug 19 2006
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    A BROADWAY play about the Liverpool-born nephew of Adolf Hitler has taken New York by storm and could be coming this side of the Atlantic in the New Year.

    "Play Liverpool? I don't see why not. I'd be honoured to take it anywhere where people found his character interesting," said 34-year-old New York-born playwright Mark Kassen.

    He has based his latest work Little Willy on the life of William Patrick Hitler, who was born in 1911 and grew up in Upper Stanhope Street, Toxteth.

    The son of the Fuhrer's half brother Alois and Irish-born Bridget Dowling, legend has it that Adolf himself stayed at the family home in Liverpool between November, 1912 and April, 1913. According to Bridget's diaries: "He would often come and sit in my cosy little kitchen playing with my two-year-old baby, while I was preparing our meals.

    "He used to spread maps out on tables or the floor and pore over them for hours. He would never hesitate to interrupt my housework to explain how Germany was going to take its rightful position in the world."

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    It's great to see another production with Liverpool links making it big on Broadway.

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    Vee vill take over the verld

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    Mike Royden mentions the connection but I didn't think it was this recent, I actually thought he killed himself in his bunker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    William Patrick Hitler was baptised at St. Patrick's church on Park Place Liverpool 8 by Monsr Curry. Monsr Curry died in 1979 dropping dead in Paradise St - he was at one church all his life. He also told corny jokes. The church records clearly show the baptism of William Patrick.

    Royden dismisses Bridget Hitlers claim that Hitler came Liverpool as fantasy - Hitler denied it, as he did with many parts of his past. Many thought there is no reason to hide the fact he went to Liverpool to stay with his brother, so assume he never went to Liverpool. Bridget was always adamant that Adolph did visit when questioned a few times on this point. Researchers have put a gap in Hitler’s life at the time Bridget says he was in Liverpool - Bridget would not know this. He was dodging the Austrian army, so embarrassing to say where he was at the time. This gives Bridget’s claim that Hitler was in Liverpool some real meat.

    As there is no firm evidence to say Hitler was not in Liverpool atb the time, the evidence suggests he was in Liverpool.

    i too was baptised by mnsr curry @st patricks (cant beleive i came that close to hitler)!

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    Default The Kensington Hitler Diaries-I was Hitler's Lodger

    There is story about Hitler's visit told by one of his brother's lodgers from the early 20th

    www.kensingtonvision.org go to the entertainment section

    Old (****s) Richards tales of Haunted Kensington

    well worth a read

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    interested to see Mike Royden in his Hitler Uniform,I never knew he harboured such meglomaniac thoughts when he was in 4 gamma at wade deacon grammar school in the 70's, come to think of ot he always "commandered" the front seats of the school bus. hmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFaragher View Post
    interested to see Mike Royden in his Hitler Uniform,I never knew he harboured such meglomaniac thoughts when he was in 4 gamma at wade deacon grammar school in the 70's, come to think of ot he always "commandered" the front seats of the school bus. hmmmmm
    The little moustache should have been a dead giveaway.

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    Yeah his stiff arm was a bit if giveaway too, didnt know mike had been killed in his bunker though, serves him right for moving from Halewood to "OVER THE WATER"

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    this seems to be a macarbe fairy tale. Sir Ian Kershaw, arguable the geatest authority in Hitler and Nazi Germany researched this and found that it hold no evidence, the truth being that at the time Hitler was ment to be in Liverpool (hiding from the Austrian army) he was infact in a hostel. Kershaw used the hostel's regisiter as proof of this.

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    Und zo, der schweindhunds makes zer yokes abowd Mein Fuhrer ja? I am telling you zis,der Reich vill rize again from der ashes ,undt ve haf all of yous comedians addresses nicht wahr!!!?
    Stop vez der yokes now!
    Heil Me!!


    P.S dat iss me behind mein fuhrers shoulder!!!




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    GREY WOLF - THE ESCAPE OF ADOLF HITLER.


    According to this new book, the body discovered was not Hitler. He escaped to Argentina in a submarine - one did leave in 1945 on a 'secret mission'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    GREY WOLF - THE ESCAPE OF ADOLF HITLER.


    According to this new book, the body discovered was not Hitler. He escaped to Argentina in a submarine - one did leave in 1945 on a 'secret mission'.
    ....made a wrong turn,and ended up in Birkenhead???

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