Could we have close-ups and the whole building please?
I know where there's a beast and a date, together.
Not far from me.
I'll snap it tomorrow.
Glad you like the idea of this thread. Years ago I did some pencil drawings of old local datestones for a projected history book I was going to write. I was just a teenager at the time. Another datestone worth photographing is on Springwood Cottages, Brocklebank Lane and Mather Avenue, the date "1684" enclosed in a heart with initials. "The Cottage" on Springwood Avenue, south of Allerton Hall, has the date "1639" above the main door. Also the house known as "The Three Sixes" on Aigburth Road near Aigburth Vale at the entrance to Fulwood Park and opposite the gates of Sefton Park: the datestone states "1666" and gave the name to the house. An old photograph of the house appears in Robert Griffiths' The History of the Royal and Ancient Park of Toxteth Liverpool (1907). I think the old date stone of the original Brook House is set in the wall of the bowling green of the present Brook House on Smithdown Road. It is also pictured in Griffiths' book.
I suppose the ultimate date is on the gate of 'Park Lodge'...AD 1207. I'm not sure what, if any, is original in this building, though.
Certainly the date on the gate "1207" is based on the designation in Robert Griffiths' history of Toxteth as the "Higher Lodge" of King John but whether such a lodge was actually built in 1207 at that spot or sometime during the middle ages appears unknown. I somehow think 1207 was a bit early for the house to be built. As you probably know there are pictured bits and pieces of slabs of sandstone that were supposedly from the facade of the original lodge photographed on the lawn of the house shown in Griffiths' book (p. 26).
I have started another thread on Toxteth Park Higher and Lower Lodges where I speak in detail about both lodges.
This is on the 'Wedding Shop' building in St George's Place.
The initials are 'N S W B'
Anyone know what these stand for?
There's a similar one on Walton Breck rd, L4.
Must take a picture sometime.
The dairy has now been converted into flats. I remember when it was open as a dairy.
In regard to the gates of the Higher Lodge with the date "1207" on them, though these are obviously new gates with the date of 1207 given to commemorate the fact that the house at this location was the lodge of the Royal Park founded by King John, it brings to mind that there was (or is) a well in Garston where the old mill stood, almost opposite to St. Mary's Church that had the date "1292." Coincidentally, this is the same year Adam de Gerstan gave monastic lands in the area to the monks of Stanlaw Abbey and Upholland. I spoke to the late Stanley Harris, a local historian, in the early Sixties, and his view was that the date was added later by somebody who knew something of that history. Actual dates on buildings etc are rare before the 1500's and would in any case more likely to be in Roman numerals not arabic numerals.
This 1207 date has only gone up comparitively recently.
I'm sure they have the signed deeds from King John to substantiate such an exact claim.
St Marys, Irvine Street, Edge Hill. There is a date of 1812 on the drainpipes of this church...unusual. There was some repair-work to the Church and surrounding wall at the time of this pic (Sept 2005).
Every church bell in Liverpool has an inscription on from when it was cast, the date, inscriptions to do with the bell/church and usually a verse from the Bible or well known local verse.
Possibly the easiest way to date a bell is to look for the date!
The inscription on Great George - the 14 Ton Bell in Liverpool Cathedral (for example) reads:
Make a Joyful Noise unto the Lord All Ye Lands
To the Glory of God
in Thankfulness for Great Mercies
Received and in Affectionate Remembrance
of the City of Liverpool
William Baron Vestey of Kingswood
and His Wife Evelyn
Sir Edmund Hoyle Vestey Baronet
and His Wife Ellen
Gave Me in the year
And in Memory of King George V
Found this date stone on The Old Police Station down Lark Lane today. I've included a few more carved stones too: