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    Here are 3 more St Peters pics, thanks go to Mr Bookless and LRO. They appear to be of the St Peters centenary in 1957? I haven't mentioned it before but the photos are from a mixture of newspaper and holiday snapshots etc. More on their way after they've been digitally cleaned.
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    Hello Chas!

    Once again I have just logged on at an odd moment and noticed your photos. On the first batch of photos, the next to last photo, shows Stanley Coleman sitting in the middle, his older brother Ray was in our class and I knew the family well. His oldest brother was John Coleman, who was a mate of my older brother. Both Stan and John are dead now. I did see Ray a couple of years ago and we had a few pints for old times sake. The last photo in the batch, shows a couple of my relations. The lad with the ball between his legs is Alf Shaw. the lad to the left of the goalie, is a relative, Freddy Wood. He still lives in the area of Salisbury Street. The teacher is Mr Milroy who started in Sackville St when I was there.

    Regarding the visit to the club, I hope you did not turn up on Friday 8th as it was the annual visit by the club to Shrewsbury School. I will be there next week, hope you can make it. There is wheelchair access at the club.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasevans View Post
    Here are 3 more St Peters pics, thanks go to Mr Bookless and LRO. They appear to be of the St Peters centenary in 1957? I haven't mentioned it before but the photos are from a mixture of newspaper and holiday snapshots etc. More on their way after they've been digitally cleaned.
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    Hello Chas.

    We have got that first photo at the club. sitting on the front row, far right, is the famous 'Nitty Nora' Who used to call to the school and search your head for head lice. If you were unfortunate to have a few dozen or so, you were sent to the clinic in Plumton Street to get your head soaked in some terrible concoction. I remember one poor girl who had most of her hair cut off, the remainder being soaked in what looked like tar oil. (Happy days!)

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    Hi Samp,
    Good to hear from you, I couldn't make it to the Shewsy last Friday but I do intend to go this week. Glad you've recognized a few schoolmates and relatives, there are close to 150 pics stored at LRO, all of them save by Mr Bookless, then headmaster. Also preserved by him is a schools inspector's report( below).
    All the best,Samp,
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    Samp, the clinic in Plumpton Street. Is that the old derelict Georgian building that is still there now?
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    Default 1000 layers of Everton onion

    This is another set of photos from LRO looking up from both sides of the bottom of Roscommon - Gt. Homer Street and top of Roscommon St, Netherfield Road area .Fourth pic bears closer examination because -
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    A ordinance survey map of the areas of interest showing Upper Roscommon Street And Netherfield Place, both unknown to me before now, map date is 1952 which means I would have been three!
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    Peeling the 1000 layers of the onion,
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    Thumbs up A FEW UNKNOWNS

    Where is it? Some pics at LRO are filed as Roscommon St but I can't be precise on their actual location.
    Here's one where the only identifying feature is a painting of a cow on wall (near RH side). Presumably a dairy, might ring a few bells!
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    No idea for pic 2, below.I've captioned it " Rossy area- to the left mum & two kids, streetlight, a dog is to the right" Pic 3 shows the same end house from a different angle. Pic 4 should be recognizable by the street sign. To the left a coal man delivers to the soon to be "Desolation Row"


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    All pics LRO source.
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    Higham Street, Roscommon St, I'll post two more of this site of an accident tomorrow.
    Ta George,
    Regards,
    Chas

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    You'll known Netherfield Place when you see a pic of it Chas. It's the classic Netherfield Road photo of the stepped terrace shown here, 6th photo down.


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    Did you look on the reverse of the photos Chas as they're normally captioned.

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    I also notice Chas that on your last pic, Leander Street is possibly the name of the street in the background which although the Everton area, it is not covered on your Rossy area map. Perhaps you just got an Everton CPO area folder out?
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    Leander Street is possibly the name of the street in the background which although the Everton area
    Brownlow hill area to be exact,Ged.

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    Leander Road then
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    Behave yerself,Ged...yer should know by now that roads where only named when they where longish? and streets where named because of them being shorter than roads.

    its a street and possibly mixed up with the wrong file?

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    Maybe.
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    [QUOTE=Ged;352116]You'll known Netherfield Place when you see a pic of it Chas. It's the classic Netherfield Road photo of the stepped terrace shown here, 6th photo down.

    http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/?s=netherfield
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    You're right,I have seen that pic,Ged. Looking at it I should have realized the terraced area was really not part of Netherfield Road.
    Three gold stars and you're the milk monitor this week.


    Any thoughts about Upper Roscommon st?
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    I did see some references in pencil, but the first two I came across were definitely wrong. Caption said Roscommon Street and they were obviously back Roscommon Street. Didn't take much notice after that. As far as I know these photos were somehow stored under Roscommon St.
    Wrong folders
    Could be right, that's why I said I was not familiar with the streets. There were some pics showing failing brickwork that I didn't recognize, just close ups that could have been anywhere. I only chose the pics that might be familiar to people,
    Cheers, Ged,
    Chas


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    Behave yerself,Ged...yer should know by now that roads where only named when they where longish? and streets where named because of them being shorter than roads.

    its a street and possibly mixed up with the wrong file?
    George,
    I think you and Ged are both correct. Leander Street is listed in Kellys 1963 but no occupants. I'm a bit vague at the best of times, what stands there now?
    Regards,
    Chas

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    George,
    Here's the two additional pics of the accident scene in Rossy. There is a total of 3 stored as one clip. Thanks to LRO and Roger Hull in particular for the enlargements.
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    First pic shows house where I lived (next to Rossy school playground),pic taken from Higham St.
    Second pic is taken from Rossy towards Higham Street, Might have been taken from just outside our house. I can recall the men gathering on a Sunday morning to play pitch and toss on this waste ground, although the ground was a lot firmer then, in fact in summer it bloomed with dandelions. The olla ( ?) was an ideal place to start a game of kick the can (lallyo) , lots of entries and side streets to hide in. I recall the lamp post shown here, a piece of rope left constantly dangling to swing on.At lighting up time the lighter upper would turn on the lamp ( 1950's, was this job still being done?), a little later the Teds would gather around it. Never any trouble, aaah, those were the days.
    Melancholy gets you when you least expect it,
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    Smile More pics from St Peters

    Here are more pics on the St Peter's Centenary (1957).
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    Thanks for looking.
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    Chas


    I've just spotted myself and my old mate Eddy Quinn leading the procession in the first pic, Eddy's in long cecks and all my mam got me was a dicky bow!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Leander Road then

    Replying to myself that having looked again, it's probably Landseer Road, Everton.
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    Nope! its deffo "Leander",Ged

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    It's definitely Leander Street which is listed as L3 in Kellys. I don't know how I was given the picture, but it was somehow listed under Roscommon St. The records office have mixed them up somehow.
    Cheers Ged and George
    Chas

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    Thumbs up More pics of St Peters, 1950's children at play, remember the B & W Minstrel show was top BBC show!

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    Sugar And spice and all things nice, that's what little girls are made of,


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    Frogs and snails and puppy dogs tails, that's wot little boys are made of.

    I just add that it was a different age. As far as I know I'm not in the "Zulu" photograph, I am sure there would be no racism intent and re-enacting Rourke's Drift would be a part of history for many.
    I recall one girl in my class being of Indian/ Pakistani origin, I'm sure she would support me and St Peters.
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    Default Colomendy, hiking in Derbyshire

    Another set of photos from St Peters,these have a holiday theme. I recall going to Colomendy and hiking in Derbyshire. I'll add further info if anyone supplies it.
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    !st pic I may have posted before, next 3 are from the girls part of the school.it's funny, I can't remember any sex discrimination at that time but there may have been lessons like dance that were the girls subject, us lads doing sports. I know that rounders was played by all the school. There are some faces in the final pic that seem to be.... June McGuiness and Janet Holden. Such a long time ago....
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    This 1st pic shows teachers including Mr Bookless, final pic shows the school trooping through the streets again, little boy near back with dickie bow is my brother Ronnie.
    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasevans View Post
    Some pics I got fro LRO. They were left by Mr Bookless the headmaster of the school in 1972.
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    I've used a photo program to automatically enhance the contrast and brightness after discarding the colour info which was the brown colour of age. Apart from that the photos are untouched.
    Regards to Samp and Ged etc. for their encouragement in the past,
    Chas
    Hi there. I'm not sure if you can help or not but this picture in particular has made me stop in my tracks...

    http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/att...2&d=1309635678

    My dad went to that school around that time, his name was Alan Baker. On the picture it has the name A.Baker. I'm not sure if its the one holding the sign or the person behind him as they both have a look of him but I was wondering if you have any more info on this picture? Or any more pictures like this from around the same time frame? I lost my dad in 2005 and my mum in 2008 and unfortunately I don't really have that many people I can go to and ask for information. I don't have any pictures of my dad as a child, only my mum.. So any help or advice would be greatly appreciated by any of you.

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    I've just come across YoLiverpool and saw this thread so registered so I can upload these pictures.
    We lived in 41 Back Roscommon Street, three doors down from St Peter's. I was born in 1954, my brother Alan in 1956 and we left in 1966 to go to Cantril Farm. I'd already moved to the John Hamilton High in 1965 and continued there until 1972.

    These family snapshots give a hint as to how small and dark our street was, in the shadow of Rossy School. Chas, is that the "stable" at the back of your house, next to Rossie playground?

    There's the only class photo I have, taken in Miss Mather's around 1959. Either the photographer didn't have a wide angle lens or the photo has been trimmed as so many children are cut out of it. I'd be made up to see a larger version if one exists.

    Anyway, I hope these photos are of interest.

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    Hi John,
    It's great to hear from you. Pictures are great, absolutely astounded by the stable view. Yes, that was our stables. You've made my day. I've got lots of other pics retrieved from LRO of St Peters. I'll update this thread with them next week.
    Regards,
    Chas

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    Hi Maria,
    I'll try to reply properly later. I haven't been on the site for a while.
    Best wishes,
    Chas

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    Great photos John. Yes, your street was dark and narrow wasn't it.
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    Hi Chas. I'm glad the photos meant something to you. I scanned all of our family photos a couple of years ago; they're from the days when only one print was made, and the negatives were never kept, so there never was a chance of sharing them. Isn't the internet great? If I get the chance I'll ask my cousins if they have any I can scan. In our very small street both my dad's and mother's parents lived, as well as two of my paternal aunties (surnames Haver, Coleman, Routledge ) so there is a good chance you were mates with at least some of them. The picture of St Peter's cricket and football teams in 1956 both have my cousin Stan Coleman in them, and possibly his brother Ray. If I get any more pictures I'll post them. By the way, your Roscommon Street neighbour Joey Charnock's family is related to my mother. A very small world then.

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    Hi Ged. Yes, dark, and windy too. Somewhere in the LRO is a document from the 1930s about the rebuilding of Rossy School causing a loss of light to the top of our street.

    Forgive me if I'm duplicating anything that is elsewhere on the site (I'm new here) but some filming was done in St Peter's in 1964 for their programme "The Singing City" which is available on the BBC website in their archive section. Here's a link to the programme. Only a very short piece of the filming was used, but there are clips of Mr Newton, and one of girls skipping in the playground.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/mersey/5183.shtml

    Best wishes to all, and thanks again for the site.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Ambrose View Post
    Hi Chas. I'm glad the photos meant something to you. I scanned all of our family photos a couple of years ago; they're from the days when only one print was made, and the negatives were never kept, so there never was a chance of sharing them. Isn't the internet great? If I get the chance I'll ask my cousins if they have any I can scan. In our very small street both my dad's and mother's parents lived, as well as two of my paternal aunties (surnames Haver, Coleman, Routledge ) so there is a good chance you were mates with at least some of them. The picture of St Peter's cricket and football teams in 1956 both have my cousin Stan Coleman in them, and possibly his brother Ray. If I get any more pictures I'll post them. By the way, your Roscommon Street neighbour Joey Charnock's family is related to my mother. A very small world then.

    .........

    Hi Ged. Yes, dark, and windy too. Somewhere in the LRO is a document from the 1930s about the rebuilding of Rossy School causing a loss of light to the top of our street.

    Forgive me if I'm duplicating anything that is elsewhere on the site (I'm new here) but some filming was done in St Peter's in 1964 for their programme "The Singing City" which is available on the BBC website in their archive section. Here's a link to the programme. Only a very short piece of the filming was used, but there are clips of Mr Newton, and one of girls skipping in the playground.


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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/mersey/5183.shtml

    Best wishes to all, and thanks again for the site.

    John
    Hi John,
    I was mate's with both Jimmy and Kenny Routledge. I recall many summer evenings spent on the Routledge's doorstep while the sun wet down. Kenny playing skiffle songs on his acoustic guitar ("Tom Dooley" , "Freight Train", echoing through the street). I also remember their elder sister, Ann, was she a typist?.
    The cousin's who lived farther down towards Portland Place were a bit older than Jimmy or Kenny, still they'd have a game of football or cricket with us in that same back street. I think we'd follow the normal games seasons, even managing to fit tennis into the year's agenda. We never tried skiing or sledging when snow fell, snow was too precious to a young kid's mind.
    Probably gilding the lily to some, but heck, I am 63 this year.
    Best wishes, John, my next post will include memories of Joey Charnock, looking forward to your post.
    Chas

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