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    Thumbs up Old Liverpool Court Dwellings Showing Living Conditions Maps Future Plans

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    1. OS 25 map section of Eldon Street and area 1893.jpg Shows Eldon Street before Brodie's concrete flats - site is the courts between school and Vauxhall Road.
    2. A view of a passageway into maddox street court.jpg A view of a passageway into a court. On the right wall in the foreground is a plaque identifying No. 3 Court. The walls of the passageway are kept apart with wooden braces that reach from first to second storey level. The paintwork on the wall in the left foreground is peeling badly. A gutter is set into the flags to the left of the passageway.
    3. Two outside toilets in a courtyard rathbone street.jpg A view of two outside toilets in a courtyard. The doors of the toilets are open, and the insanitary conditions within can be clearly seen. Large pools of standing water gather outside the toilets, where two girls in poor dress stand, smiling for the camera. The walls of the buildings are limed.
    4. Number 6 Court in Comus Street.jpg A photograph of No. 6 Court in Comus Street. Tenement dwellings are visible on both sides of the court. The court is crowded with women and children. The court looks dirty and there is rubbish dumped at the side of the street in the foreground. There is a lamp post on the pavement next to the entrance to the court in the foreground.
    5. Design to convert court houses into tenements in flats.jpg
    6. Demonstrates just how closely built the courts were.jpg
    7. Croston Court Hockenhall Alley.jpg Watercolour 1886.
    8. 1 to 6 IN 12 Court Johnson Street.jpg A view of a court with three-storey terraced houses to three sides. A mangle stands to the left of the door on the left, where two women stand with dirty washing hanging on a line above them. In the rear of the court a woman holds a child in another doorway, while other children play at her feet. A young man stands to the right, looking at the camera. The buildings have been distempered to first storey level, although damp is starting to seep through. In the immediate centre foreground a communal water pump can be seen, with a central gutter set into the flagstone floor of the yard.
    9. OS 120 map showing part of Eldon Street 1891.jpg The section shows courts 2 and 4 which were demolished to make way for Brodie's concrete flats.



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    Nice one Kev.

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    Great pic's Kev, but any idea what the P.H.stands for,on the corner opposite the"Glasshous" pub? (pic' 9) I'm guessing it means Public House,but what was it called?( Even Ged was flummoxed!)

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    I dont know for sure but Public House seems to be the best answer as they are on corners.
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    Great images Kev, thanks for posting.

    One question - the Croston Court/ Hockinghall Alley painting [copied below] shows a series of fisherman's cottages.

    Edit: Image omitted. Sorry guys, this was the wrong cottage identified, so removed to save confusion.

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    Can't be Public House? as there's practically one on every corner(well thats normal)but not here on the map it ain't.

    Lemme have a think

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    Public House [P.H.] explained on OS maps:

    On large scale Ordnance survey maps, say 32 inches to the mile, the names of pubs are actually featured. For example, one building on Dale Street is listed as "The Mitre Inn". Zooming out and looking at the same building on a smaller scale 15 inches to the mile map, it just lists it as "P.H."

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    Existing Hockinghall Cottage Identified on Painting.

    Edit: Image omitted. Sorry guys, this was the wrong cottage identified, so removed to save confusion.

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    << very good Dazza
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    Please can anyone help?
    i am trying to find the location of Gough Court, i had family who where listed as living there in on the 1881 Census,
    The district is Toxteth Park, so i have been looking on the old toxteth net website, but it isn't listed on the street finder,

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonDaviesBell View Post
    Please can anyone help?
    i am trying to find the location of Gough Court, i had family who where listed as living there in on the 1881 Census,
    The district is Toxteth Park, so i have been looking on the old toxteth net website, but it isn't listed on the street finder,

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    If you see the original handwritten entry, it should show adjoining streets.


    Great illustrations, especially Hockenhall Alley, but it should be said that not all properties with 'Court' in the name were what we now call 'court dwellings'.
    Croston Court seem quite large houses.
    Hockenhall Alley at that point is quite wide for an 'alley'.
    (I was there yesterday.)

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    Hi
    I have attached the origional Census document, but i don't see any other street names??
    My family the Shepherds, where living at number 13 Gough Court.
    where could i look next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonDaviesBell View Post
    Hi
    I have attached the origional Census document, but i don't see any other street names??
    My family the Shepherds, where living at number 13 Gough Court.
    where could i look next?
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    The Liverpool Record Office at the Central Library.
    If you know the number of that page you could look at the ones before and after it, and follow the Enumerator as he did his walk.
    Holy Trinity Church was in Parliament Street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Sharples View Post
    The Liverpool Record Office at the Central Library.
    If you know the number of that page you could look at the ones before and after it, and follow the Enumerator as he did his walk.
    Holy Trinity Church was in Parliament Street.
    Hi, thanks for this,
    i have looked at all the census, from 1841 to 1911,
    the only one where i can find Goughs court is on the 1871,
    on the other census the courts on Parliment street are numbered?
    i found a shepherd family death registered in 1873 at court 4 parlament street do you think this may be the same place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonDaviesBell View Post
    Hi, thanks for this,
    i have looked at all the census, from 1841 to 1911,
    the only one where i can find Goughs court is on the 1871,
    on the other census the courts on Parliment street are numbered?
    i found a shepherd family death registered in 1873 at court 4 parlament street do you think this may be the same place?
    It could be.
    Liverpool Record Office have the large scale (1/500) 1890 map which will probably give the court a name.
    As you've found out, they were also given numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Sharples View Post
    It could be.
    Liverpool Record Office have the large scale (1/500) 1890 map which will probably give the court a name.
    As you've found out, they were also given numbers.
    thanks do you know of any way i can get the info without going to the records office, as i live in the Netherlands now, so its difficult for me to just pop in there,

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    Alison,

    Census records: why don't you do it online? Go back to the original sheet that you pulled up on Genes Reunited. Often, the census page number is at the top of the screen [it is on Ancestry.co.uk] on Ancestry you can advance to the next one, or the preceding one, just by entering the page number?

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    genius idea! i will do that thanks! am new to doing this stuff and am hitting brick walls so often!

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    Hi Alison.
    I've found it!
    It says Goughs Court on that Census entry, and it's shown as Goff's Court on the 1848 map.
    (Thanks to Dazza for his help with all those 1848 maps.)
    Same pronunciation - different spelling.
    The smaller scale 1890 map shows the site had been cleared, and there was a cooperage there by the time of the 1906 map.

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    The originals are in the LRO.
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    Well done
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    Updated weekly with old and new pics.

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    Hi Alison,

    Just to complete the picture. I did a quick search on the 1871 Census.

    Here are Census Sheets 14, 15, '16' & 17. These are the census sheets either side of 'Sheet 16' [which you originally posted] for Gough's [Goff's] Court. Sheet 14 shows the end of "Printers Court" and the beginning of "Gough's Court". They are neighbouring courts on the same block, as shown on Quentin's 1848 OS map posted earlier.

    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Sharples View Post
    The originals are in the LRO.
    Dazza and Quentin,
    Thats so fab!
    THANNK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonDaviesBell View Post
    Dazza and Quentin,
    Thats so fab!
    THANNK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

    You're welcome.

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    Thanks Alison, it was my pleasure. And good luck with the rest of your research.

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    hi allison, go here - http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php

    this is the best bit of advice you will get today, this forum is fantastic, most of the posters are ladies who are real experts at geneology and only too willing to help, your brickwall is a pain to you but these ladies relish it as a challenge, i have been doing research for a long time and it took off once i got into the hands of these experts, they really are the best and more than willing to help, good luck

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    A couple of SHEPHERD burials are listed on Toxteth Park Cemetery website. 1869 and 1873 at 4 Court, Parliament Street.
    http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/

    Gough Court is listed under Parliament Street on the 1851 Census.
    http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.u...1/StreetsP.htm

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    Alison.
    Dazza, Marky and myself are all Gents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bidston View Post
    hi allison, go here - http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php

    this is the best bit of advice you will get today, this forum is fantastic, most of the posters are ladies who are real experts at geneology and only too willing to help, your brickwall is a pain to you but these ladies relish it as a challenge, i have been doing research for a long time and it took off once i got into the hands of these experts, they really are the best and more than willing to help, good luck
    Thanks for the link I have just "joined up" ....they may be able to help with my brickwalls !!

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    Thanks all again!
    i have now signed up with the link you gave Bidston, and they really are knocking down many of those brickwalls!
    Alison

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