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    Just a brief post to add some missing images of lost buildings. The photographs supplement the previous posts and give a better idea of why I have included these buildings in my blog. They areCanada Dock hydraulic tower (photographed 1875)Kent Square c1935Goree and Overhead Railway 1947Cotton Exchange 1907

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    Really look forward to your posts Colin, one of the highlights of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davec View Post
    Really look forward to your posts Colin, one of the highlights of the day.
    I agree with that Davec.

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    Great images Colin. I have both My Liverpool & Liverpool Charachters and Streets and I'm sure your website will be a valuable resource to everyone.

    The Sailor's Home photograph. The building shown to the left of it [on the site of the 4th Custom House] echoes the previous building. It has five prominent arched windows, a scaling up of what was there before, although without the stepped facade.

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    Thanks Colin, I don't think I've seen the Canada Dock hydraulic tower, what a gem, why did they know down these wonderful buildings!!!!! The Goree shows it from a new angle.

    Keep 'em coming!

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    Another Goree view: LRO
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    Default Lost Liverpool (3)

    My ’Lost Liverpool’ has created quite a bit of interest and, in particular, incredulity that so many fine buildings have been demolished over the last sixty years. However, Liverpool has been luckier than most cities. Newcastle, Manchester, Glasgow and Bath suffered wholesale destruction (remember T. Dan Smith and the wilful destruction of Eldon Square in Newcastle). Cities [...]

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    Fantastic stuff Colin, Thanks
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    Thanks Colin great images.

    I've posted some updates for the 'West Dingle' photograph on your site.

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    Thanks Dazza - that is really helpful. I have a few lantern slides taken by N. Stephens of this area of the Dingle - along with a few of Matthew Arnold, the poet and essayist, who lived at Dingle Bank (and who died while walking along Dingle Lane in 1888).

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    Hi hmtmaj. I made a film in 1975 of the Old Swan Community Festival. It did a bit of a tour with the British Council and a copy was donated to Liverpool Record Office. It was a lot of street theatre and activities for children. Might be worth digging out. Who knows - you might be on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    This might be too narrow a view. Any building or ship, anything out in the elements needs restoration work. Do you think HMS Victory in Portsmouth is the same ship that was launched in 1765? It isn't. Nor is USS Constellation in Boston harbor the same ship that was launched in 1797. Nor are Westminster Abbey or St. Paul's Cathedral the same buildings they were even a hundred years ago, not in the polluted atmosphere of London.Chris
    Hi Chris,

    What's that saying about Grandpa's old axe? Despite having three new handles and two new heads. It's still Grandpa's axe. The same also with the Athenian Parthenon, there's an ongoing program to replace all the erroded Pentelic marble, in order to protect the rest of the structure. Time is an significant factor in all of this - today we see an illusory finished object, when in reality, the actual fabric and design may have changed many times over it's history? John Donne's "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main" I think, can also be applied to buildings as well. All have a relationship with the patterns of the past. This is what I find fascinating about old buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Wilkinson View Post
    Thanks Dazza - that is really helpful. I have a few lantern slides taken by N. Stephens of this area of the Dingle - along with a few of Matthew Arnold, the poet and essayist, who lived at Dingle Bank (and who died while walking along Dingle Lane in 1888).
    Hi Colin - new Dingle images, fantastic. I'd love to see those. Are you planning to upload them on to your site at some stage? My 3xgrandfather was a tenant farmer to Joseph Brooks Yates, and lived at Dingle Farm. He was responsible for farming the fields either side of The Dingle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Wilkinson View Post
    Thanks Dazza - that is really helpful. I have a few lantern slides taken by N. Stephens of this area of the Dingle - along with a few of Matthew Arnold, the poet and essayist, who lived at Dingle Bank (and who died while walking along Dingle Lane in 1888).
    That's an interesting bit of trivia about Matthew Arnold dying while walking in Dingle Lane in 1888! His most famous poem is probably "Dover Beach" and it's fascinating to know that his final moments occurred at a place much closer to home! As does Dazza I look forward to seeing those old images. Thanks again.

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    Colin/Chris. As far as i'm aware - through the book 'A tram ride to Dingle' Matthew Arnold never lived in Liverpool, but visited his sister Mrs Susan Cropper. Which is the correct version please?
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    Sorry, you are right Ged - by lived in the Dingle, I meant he spent considerable periods of time there - staying at his sister's house. At the time, he had a formidable reputation, although he is, like many eminent Victorians, less well known now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Wilkinson View Post
    Hi hmtmaj. I made a film in 1975 of the Old Swan Community Festival. It did a bit of a tour with the British Council and a copy was donated to Liverpool Record Office. It was a lot of street theatre and activities for children. Might be worth digging out. Who knows - you might be on it.
    Hi Colin, I have PM'd you.
    Thanks for the info above, Martin
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    Just done a bit of Googling on Matthew Arnold, Apparently he had arrived in Liverpool the day before (Saturday) and was in high spirits, vaulting over a fence to show his fitness. The following day, after church, he collapsed from a heart attack on the walk home. A nearby doctor was called who, after pouring spirits down his throat (why not!) pronounced him dead. Apparently his grandfather and father (the famous Thomas Arnold, headmaster of Rugby School) had both died prematurely from angina.
    Here again is one of those strands. Charles Melly (of Liverpool Olympics fame) was also at Rugby School as was the famous Liverpool poet Arthur Hugh Clough. In fact Clough, who was four years his junior, became best friend of Arnold. Clough's sister Anne was one of the early feminists, assisting Florence Nightingale and later becoming Principal of Newnham College, Cambridge (there is a ceramic plaque outside the Clough's house at 11 Rodney Street).
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    And the moral of the story is: Don't go showing off vaulting over fences
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    Its a symptom I believe, many people who are going to get an attack get a sudden rush of 'strength or well being' shortly before it.

    My Nan was dancing around the day before she got hers saying how wonderful she felt, and next day it was all over.

    The doctor who attended said its quite common, oh and Nan had hardly moved from her chair in bleedin years before that.

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    Thanks for that info H-asbo , my wife has just said I cant knock any more trees down for firewood, she's going to get a heat pump installed , probably a wise move ! Ron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Wilkinson View Post
    Just done a bit of Googling on Matthew Arnold, Apparently he had arrived in Liverpool the day before (Saturday) and was in high spirits, vaulting over a fence to show his fitness. The following day, after church, he collapsed from a heart attack on the walk home. A nearby doctor was called who, after pouring spirits down his throat (why not!) pronounced him dead. Apparently his grandfather and father (the famous Thomas Arnold, headmaster of Rugby School) had both died prematurely from angina.
    Here again is one of those strands. Charles Melly (of Liverpool Olympics fame) was also at Rugby School as was the famous Liverpool poet Arthur Hugh Clough. In fact Clough, who was four years his junior, became best friend of Arnold. Clough's sister Anne was one of the early feminists, assisting Florence Nightingale and later becoming Principal of Newnham College, Cambridge (there is a ceramic plaque outside the Clough's house at 11 Rodney Street).
    Hi Colin

    Whether Wikipedia has it right I don't know -- as we know anybody, informed or uninformed can contribute to Wiki -- but the story that appears on the Matthew Arnold Wiki page reads:

    "Arnold died suddenly in 1888 of heart failure, when running to meet a tram that would have taken him to the Liverpool Landing Stage to see his daughter, who was visiting from the United States where she had moved after marrying an American."

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    In starting this thread about Lost Liverpool, I was concerned with those buildings that would have enhanced today’s city had they survived. The underlying criterion is that of architectural merit but that would probably not apply to Liverpool Overhead Railway, which was not a particularly beautiful structure. In the case of other inclusions, such as [...]

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    Thanks Colin ..

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    Nice one Colin.

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    Colin,

    I really look forward to your entries, many thanks.


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    Thanks Colin, The court photograph is amazing. The warehouse dominating the end of the street. The gas lamp. The puddle from the central drain reflecting the building above it. The family scene.

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    Was the location of the court identified?

    This particular example was rather rare as there usually wasn't so much space in the middle of courts.

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    Here is a photo of a court from the early 60's The man in the raincoat is the local ministe, Rev Hill who was also the missioner of the Shrewsbury Boys Club, which used to be in Portland Place, Everton. At the top of the picture can be seen another court at right angles to the one in the picture. This picture has already been posted elsewhere on Yo. The top court was located at the top of Prince Edwin St. in Everton. The court in the picture was behind the houses at the top right hand side of Prince Edwin St.
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    Looks like the rent man to me,notice all the women outside ready for an earwig when she goes in.

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