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    I have often tried to picture what Liverpool would be like if it had kept some of its finest buildings. Does it matter if buildings are lost? To quote William Morris: ‘It has been most truly said that these old buildings do not belong to us only: that they belonged to our forefathers and they will [...]


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    I agree Colin.

    See this thread here:

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    When an antique is too far gone for restoration but we get it restored, it no longer becomes an antique.

    Customs house was an antique.

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    It's just a pity that so many buildings of the past of outstanding architecture, the likes of which will never be built again, unless its green glass and steel, were allowed to succumb to rot and the iron ball. Athens and Rome kept theirs even if it were only ruins.
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    Hi George,
    In that case the Albert Dock should have been turned into a car park as proposed in the 1970s. There are many other buildings - warehouses, churches etc. which have been imaginatively restored. Look at the Novas building on Parliament Street as just one recent example. The external fabric of The Custom House was sound enough and the building should have been saved. There was a campaign to save it, led by Peter Fleetwood-Hesketh, but in the immediate post-War years, the politicians were chasing a different vision of the future.

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    Correct Colin. St. Lukes was nearly lost to road widening scheme which saw the UAB/Dole building on Leece lost in the 80s. It didn't go ahead.

    We also lost the Georgian terrace on the opposite side of Seymour street (to the one so greatly restored) - to the Shankland plan for road widening within the city centre - most of which didn't come off, including this part of it.

    Even the St. Georges Hall was being left to wrack and ruin at one stage before restoration. If done sympathetically to the period the building is from, there's not a problem with restoration.

    The original Exchange Flags and Cotton Exchange frontages were so ornamental.
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    I've said this elsewhere on Yo where the Customs house was brought up in the conversation,we have to draw a line somewhere in relation to the extent of the damage despite its external structure still standing after the war.

    Internally it was completly none existant,what this means is what restoration that would have incurred wouldn't have been from the time it was built but modern materials used for the whole of the interior and that to me would have lost the buildings splendour of old.

    I take it you have seen the buildings internal damage?

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    Internals wouldn't count for much in this day and age anyway though. Look at the met quarter utilising the old GPO with a complete new fit out into modern building regs etc. The lyceum in bold st was fitted out as a post office then cafe - the original interior not being fit for use for those purposes. Liverpool museum even isn't how it was built or intended back in the late 1800s. I'm all for keeping exteriors of outstanding architectural merit even if the interiors are 21st century glitz and glamour.
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    I have a couple of photo's I took of Seymour Street from the mid 70's.

    I was doing a photography A level course in Hugh Bairds in Bootle, and took a load of mid 70's images, many where from the Docks, we had a special pass and had access to all areas! Bet you can't get that pass now!

    I got a few photo's of the old tennies too Ged.

    Also a set that I KNOW won't interest you! Liverpools European Cup Parade from 77 :P

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    Ohh just remembered!

    Got a very early photo of West Derby Village looking towards the Church from the main bus route to town.

    It was a Glass plate that a mate found in a house clearence, so I did a pic from it, its got to be 1920's or earlier, theres just one car in the picture and its a Laurel and Hardy type Car!

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    Great stuff H, post em' up. Funnily enough I was at that parade and proof can be seen on this page of my site. Yo's very own gregs dad capturing me and my mate - both blues - on the Byrom st walkway as the open top bus passed underneath. Then we legged it, well struggled through the crowds in William Brown st to see the team come out with the cups - almost the treble of course. I was there in 74 too and in 73 I held the UEFA vase in the Walker Art Gallery while meeting Keegan and Shankly. I was 11 and my dad worked there so got me in during the evening.

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    I dunno how to post them Ged, thats why I've never done it.

    I have a scanner so theres no problem getting scans done.

    Unfortunately we wasn't allowed to keep the negatives from the collage, so all I have are my presentation photo's and a few others I kept that were 'contenders'.

    I have a great photo of a notice though from the docks!

    Its dated during the war mid 40's about 43 I think, and its about the Dockers threatening a strike!

    Which I only took because of the curio factor. 1st it was STILL up in the middle of the dockland after 30 odd years, and 2nd I didn't know strikes was legal during war time.

    Just imagine Ged, I went into collage, the tutor gave me that latest camera and a pass to all areas of the Docks, and I could spend all day just wandering around taking photo's, as long as I got back in time to develope them.

    I didn't know how lucky I was, I can honestly tell you.

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    I dunno how to post them Ged, thats why I've never done it.
    You'll have all the women laughing at you now.

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    Ta George

    But maybe my A level Photography will balance it out

    As the chat went in the She Club.

    I'm a Nurse what do you do?

    I'm doing photography, let me take you home and see what developes

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    The interior was not the strong part of the building - by all accounts it was pretty gloomy inside due to the lack of windows. As the restoration of the Reichstag by Norman Foster proves - there is no problem incorporating a contemporary style into a knackered old building. The Custom House should have been seen as a symbol of Liverpool's greatness not as an eyesore. OK - Norman Foster was working in a totally different political and economic climate - but there were plenty of talented architects back in the 1950s who could have handled the restoration.

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    H. Imagine being told to hand your pics in these days, you could store them to your pc first in seconds

    Try this for uploading, it must be easy as I can use it.

    http://imageshack.us/?no_multi=1

    Just choose the pic you want to upload from your pc and click on upload.

    A thumbnail of the pic you've chosen will appear when it's done. Just copy and paste the jargon in the 3rd box down under it into your message on the forum.


    I've had a wander down the docks - river side. It looks like a few others have too including Gregs Dad - you can go right up to the dockers clock - Victoria Tower and right up to the waters edge. If one of the gates isn't already open on the dock road, there is another way in. I've never been stopped and it's not area 51 so doubt you'd get arrested.
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    We was in the sheds with the dockers and under the cranes as they unloaded cargo Ged, not just in touristy spots, although there was none then

    There used to be coppers on the gates back then.

    Thats why we needed the pass I guess? Workers only areas?

    I'll do that ASAP, all my old arty farty stuffs in the loft back home, so its explore there and do the scans before I can upload anything.

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    It reminds me that I must dig out some of my old CSE artwork. It's in a suitcase in the shed ha ha.

    No, it's not touristy where I mean either, it's clandestine

    But I get your drift, it must've been great down there right in amongst it all.
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    Talking about the docks....

    A bloke was in his car with his girlfriend from wigan and she turned round to him and said....

    Kiss me where its dirty...so he took her to Liverpool docks. :-)

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    Thanks Kev. West Dingle is on my list. A very fine house demolished in the 1960s (need to check the date - unless you have it). I'm a bit ambivalent about some of the mansions. Most of the outer areas was carved up by the wealthy for their 'country estates'. Meantime, Liverpool was the most overcrowded city in the country. Something had to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    When an antique is too far gone for restoration but we get it restored, it no longer becomes an antique.

    Customs house was an antique.
    This might be too narrow a view. Any building or ship, anything out in the elements needs restoration work. Do you think HMS Victory in Portsmouth is the same ship that was launched in 1765? It isn't. Nor is USS Constellation in Boston harbor the same ship that was launched in 1797. Nor are Westminster Abbey or St. Paul's Cathedral the same buildings they were even a hundred years ago, not in the polluted atmosphere of London. I remember walking through the graveyard of St. Paul's some years ago and seeing all the disfigured marble statuary that had been brought down from the facade in order to be replaced. That's what restoration is all about. Still these things are national treasures, though they are technically not the same as they were before. It's impossible for them to be the same "antiques" they once were if we are to keep them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Wilkinson View Post
    Thanks Kev. West Dingle is on my list. A very fine house demolished in the 1960s (need to check the date - unless you have it). I'm a bit ambivalent about some of the mansions. Most of the outer areas was carved up by the wealthy for their 'country estates'. Meantime, Liverpool was the most overcrowded city in the country. Something had to give.
    Colin, just checked one of your very own Bluecoat press publications. 'A tram ride to Dingle' where it is mentioned that West Dingle was demolished between 1955-60.
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    Following on from yesterday, my next choice is a building that has got progressively worse each time it has been rebuilt:8 Exchange Buildings. The smaller photograph (taken in 1860) is a view of James Wyatt’s elegant building (1803-9), in perfect sympathy with the Town Hall (for which he was partly responsible). Tastes changed and, in [...]

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    Thanks Colin, just thought I'd add:

    1) Liverpool Cotton Exchange LAW030.jpg LRO
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    These are great pics Kev..Cheers mate.
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    Great pic's Colin,and Kev'! It's hard to believe, they saw fit to demolish 2 Exchange buildings,which both look more remarkable,than the present version!As for the cotton exchange being modernised......they should have been shot!!!

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    Cracker pics folks!!!

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    Thanks for the pic Kev. I have got the original press pic of it which states on the reverse

    Liverpool Cotton Future Market Closes (1st April 1941).

    Mr V.S.S. Hannay, President othe Liverpool Cotton Association announcing the decision to close the Liverpool Cotton Futures Markets to the members in the Exchange today, following the Government order stabilising cotton prices, after the bell rung for the last time.

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