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    the council of british archaeology have made several attempts to find it


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Birkenhead Priory? Stanlaw Abbey near present-day Ellesmere Port?

    If the latter, it's extremely unlikely since that abbey was built where the Mersey is its widest. A fine tale but total legend surely.

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    Hi chris
    I have never heard of this before, but how can you say 'total legend, surely' if there is not much evidence either way?

    We need to keep an open mind about these things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissInformed View Post
    Hi chris
    I have never heard of this before, but how can you say 'total legend, surely' if there is not much evidence either way?

    We need to keep an open mind about these things...
    The fact that these things come as such a surprise with "not much evidence" (ie no evidence) must surely tell us quite a lot.
    Liverpool, unlike most of the other towns/cities in the UK, isn't very old, and its history has been documented rather well.

    The Mersey Tunnel, for instance, took 9 years to dig (with all the available 20th century equipment), so it's not going to be likely that some amateurs managed to dig one hundreds (?) of years before.
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    Hi Philip, chezza, and MissInformed

    Yes I am skeptical about it given that at the time, in the Middle Ages, there would not have been the technology to dig that distance.

    It sounds to me as if the story might be in the same league as Keith Andrews's claim that the mass grave in Old Swan is evidence of a plot by the British to exterminate the Irish, to kill 3,561 of them. But just think about it, such a scheme would have necessitated transporting 3,000+ people out to Old Swan to an internment camp and shooting them, none of which was witnessed -- the transportation, the internment camp, nor the shooting. And that claim is made against other evidence that the Liverpool health official at the time of the disinternment, Mr. Ken Williams, says shows the people were not shot and that some of the coffins had plaques showing a date of 1859 not 1848 as Andrews maintains, and that there were child burials in the grave which Andrews says there were not.

    Well, chezza and MissInformed, it comes down to what should we believe:

    Facts or make believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi Philip, chezza, and MissInformed

    Yes I am skeptical about it given that at the time, in the Middle Ages, there would not have been the technology to dig that distance.

    It sounds to me as if the story might be in the same league as Keith Andrews's claim that the mass grave in Old Swan is evidence of a plot by the British to exterminate the Irish, to kill 3,561 of them. But just think about it, such a scheme would have necessitated transporting 3,000+ people out to Old Swan to an internment camp and shooting them, none of which was witnessed -- the transportation, the internment camp, nor the shooting. And that claim is made against other evidence that the Liverpool health official at the time of the disinternment, Mr. Ken Williams, says shows the people were not shot and that some of the coffins had plaques showing a date of 1859 not 1848 as Andrews maintains, and that there were child burials in the grave which Andrews says there were not.

    Well, chezza and MissInformed, it comes down to what should we believe:

    Facts or make believe?

    Best regards

    Chris

    Hi Chris, Philip

    I understand completely what you are both saying, but I personally keep an open mind about anything like this until solid evidence is found.
    I don't know either way, of course I don't... I guess I am just an optimist!

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    i will have a look for the information from the CBA and hopefully prove it one way or another

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    I work at RS Clare at the moment and I haven't seen or heard of any tunnels while I have been here. I even asked the boss when I first read this post. No one here knows of any tunnels...but maybe they do and there are and it is a big secret which I am not privy to yet seeing as I am new and only the temp.

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    great to know we now have an inside spy!!

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    LOL! Yes! I will snoop around on my lunch breaks and see if I can see anything suspicious? O.o'' Hope I dont get fired !
    I wonder if he'll make me crawl. I wonder how far I might fall. I'm stuck beneath my skin I don't know who to blame for this mess I'm in. Involuntarily falling to my knees another victim of heart disease. Another Night without a dark tunnel, stay in bed so I can't be stolen. And everything revolves around the fear of my fate. Everyday a little closer to death.

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    I was told this rumour in the mid-1970s, but I haven't heard anything else on the rumour-grapevine since. My own opinion is that it has a small chance of being true. 200 years ago the shore-line would have been different. There are more famous rumours of a tunnel around the Baltic Fleet pub, so who knows for certain.
    This area of Toxteth is old, but one day it will no doubt be re-developed for apartments, so we may find out in 10 or 20 years time.
    Here's a link to Clares website giving some history...mentions it would have fronted the shore and still has brick vaults...interesting.
    http://www.rsclare.co.uk/news/news-d...r=2007&month=2
    Anyway, here's one of Liverpools' most important street-signs...which for some reason didn't feature in the recent campaign to remove the slave streets...Captain Hugh Crow


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    S'not to be sniffed at that Marky and I like the 'Watch out there's a thief about' sticker on the burglar alarm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marky View Post
    Re: Cains...I read the brewery recently began to use an underground water source in their beer. (Liverpool Echo mentioned it)

    Did anyone photograph the buildings near there, to the left of the Coburg pub, as I've heard they're nearly demolished. I went past a couple of weeks ago and thought they were getting their roofs repaired...shows what I know. Seems all the buildings from Parliament St. to the Coburg pub are going?
    Yes,somebody did. [not me]

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=411816

    I went past the site recently-currently they've dug down about three storeys below Caryl St-and so far the whole lot hasn't collapsed into Cain's lake. Yet!

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    For 's sake! isn't the council going to leave us with any of our Heritage? I used to go past these buildings on the way to work in Sefton Street and you used to see massive barges being constructed and always the flash of a blue torch. Now they're gone for some MORE high rise flats.

    It's horrible to say this, but I can't wait for 2008 to come and go so we show our city off and then everyone naffs off and leaves the city like a ghost town.

    Then I will be the 1st person to knock on the Council Offices and kindly show them what we've lost, how many flats are now empty and tell them 'I told you so'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jona76 View Post

    It's horrible to say this, but I can't wait for 2008 to come and go so we show our city off and then everyone naffs off and leaves the city like a ghost town.


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    That's a stupid, stupid thing to say.
    All because you're not happy with some of the council's choices

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    I don't want them to leave the city like a ghost town. That would just be sad. I am angry as well about them knocking down alot of the older buildings. some of them where really beautiful pieces of architectural heritage, grade two listed buildings, and they knocked them down. They have also took away alot of the parkland in the city centre, so where will people go now to sit and relax on a hot day? It really annoys me. I used to go for quiet sits on chavasse park, when they took that away I went to man island but now there is the park behind the georges hall an thats it.

    Back onto Clares, there are vaults underneath, I am not allowed to see them though cus of health and safety. Dunno if there are tunnels though.

    And funny someone should post a sign of crow street, I was going to do that very thing this morning but I saw someone had beat me to it XD.
    I wonder if he'll make me crawl. I wonder how far I might fall. I'm stuck beneath my skin I don't know who to blame for this mess I'm in. Involuntarily falling to my knees another victim of heart disease. Another Night without a dark tunnel, stay in bed so I can't be stolen. And everything revolves around the fear of my fate. Everyday a little closer to death.

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