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    Lightbulb Footbridge across the Mersey?

    Just a thought I had recently whilst visiting Birkenhead. I understand that there are many factors that would influence such a project but I wouldn't rule it out completely. I believe it would greatly enhance the status of Wirral as a place to visit and would make getting there so much easier. I also believe it would make Wirral feel more like part of the Liverpool City Region.
    Ofcourse it would have to be high so smaller ships could pass beneath and have some sort of draw bridge for larger vessels but I think this could be done. I would like your views


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    Never mind a pedestrian bridge. Let's have a tramway!

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    This would look nice over the Mersey, and what a view the passengers would have;

    http://wapedia.mobi/en/Skybridge_(TransLink)

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    This does not want to cooperate. Sorry about that, but I shall try for another Translink site.

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    Let's see if this one works;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skybridge_(Vancouver)

    No luck here, either. I give up!

    What I wanted to show was the Skytrain Bridge linking Surrey, B.C. with New Westminster, part of the light rapid transit network around Vancouver. Maybe our LRT specialist WW can find it.

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    Trythis link!
    http://www.bing.com/reference/semhtm...rain+vancouver

    24 pics, looks good!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    Never mind a pedestrian bridge. Let's have a tramway!
    The Mersey rail tunnel does that with a very fast train.
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    Thank you, Norm. That tells the whole story, and with great pictures. It was the cable-stayed bridge
    that I wanted to point out.

    WW. Merseyside looks so much better aloft. Far batter than the view from the tunnel.

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    Ofcourse it would have to be high so smaller ships could pass beneath and have some sort of draw bridge for larger vessels but I think this could be done. I would like your views
    Erm! there's a good distance between Hoylake,Birkenhead ect so the flaws in this I can see....

    People halfway across,this means any large vessles would have to come to a halt whilst the people finish crossing.

    Large vessels coming up from the mersey bar means the people would have wait god knows how long? for the vessel to pass before they can cross.

    Back to the drawing board for you milad. :-)

    Lets come upto date and make use of the hovercraft...across in 2 minutes and gets rid of any landing stages that the normal boats use. :-)

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    Why would we want another way to get to the wirral cul-de-sac?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    The Mersey rail tunnel does that with a very fast train.
    I had to wait a while, WW, but you didn't let me down!

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    I'm surprised WW's not suggested excavating all the docks and boating it across.

    I really don't think The Liverpool/Wirral area would suit a bridge

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouse smurf View Post
    I'm surprised WW's not suggested excavating all the docks and boating it across.

    I really don't think The Liverpool/Wirral area would suit a bridge
    The cost of building a straightforward footbridge would be prohibitive (and a pretty long walk in bad weather so who would want to use it?).
    Once you factor in a lifting section big enough to let the large ships going to Stanmore/Elsemere Port through, the cost would become astronomical.
    Whether you accept them or not, there are economic arguments for another Mersey crossing. There would be no economic argument for a footbridge.

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    If you want rapid connection between both banks to merge the two more, then the three tunnels do it well enough with scope to put a rail link under the Queensway tunnel. It would need excavating ubnder the road deck from the two vent towers on each side of the river inland. The long river section can take a train under the road deck. The track can be single track - bi-directional. If the city is to reduce car dependency then using one of the Wallaset tunnels and makeing the other two-way is another option. This takes trains into Wallasey and the north end of Liverpool. Tram-trains can be use to negotitate Wallasey and link into Merseyrail in Liverpool.

    OK A link from Garston to Ellesmere Port would be nice and a trestle bridge was proposed anout 10 years ago carrying rail lines linking Merseyrail easier to that part of Wirrral and beter airport access - if an airport station was built. Also a link from Bootle to New Brighton. But a Mersey barrier can take care of the Bootle link, which may come about eventually as sea levels rise and we become more eco wanting tidal power.

    The barrier is the obvious link as it kills many birds with one stone.
    A footbridge? The river is too wide and too windy to have any level of use worth talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scouse smurf View Post
    I'm surprised WW's not suggested excavating all the docks and boating it across.

    I really don't think The Liverpool/Wirral area would suit a bridge
    I do like constructive thinking.


    Proposed Mersey bridge in 1898

    http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity...ppreciate.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    I do like constructive thinking.


    Proposed Mersey bridge in 1898

    http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity...ppreciate.html
    Let's declare war on Japan and use any POW's we get to build the bridge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Lets come upto date and make use of the hovercraft...across in 2 minutes and gets rid of any landing stages that the normal boats use. :-)
    A hovercraft was proposed to run into Morpoth Doc and maybe right into Wirral Waters from Liverpool Waters. The problem is that they are point to point. You need to get to them and change -ermm not nice or atrcative and not quick.

    A reapid-transit rail line can do the two poinst in the point to point and go further inland on each side, serving and reachinga much wider population. As the peopel around Birkenhead Park station use the Merseyrail to get to Birkenhead town centre abnd right into Liverpool as well.
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    how it once was?


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    A Mersey Barrier gives:
    • A rail crossing
    • A road crossing
    • eco tidal power
    • A locked-in river that means no dock lock gates
    • A locked in leisure water area devoid of strong tides.
    • Ability to move in and out of Livererpool and Birkenhead docks at will by vessels.
    • Ships can dock on the now river walls - they can enter Liverpool bay at any time via large post-panamax sea locks.
    • Leisure area on barrage - restaurant, tall tower, etc.
    • A means of preventing flooding of the Mersey banks
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    Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
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    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
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    how it once was?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    A Mersey Barrier gives:[*]A means of preventing flooding of the Mersey banks[/LIST]
    Feck protecting the banks - they got us in to this financial mess.

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    the Menai has 2 bridges. For both rail and car.

    http://www.anglesey-history.co.uk/places/bridges/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    Feck protecting the banks - they got us in to this financial mess.
    They never really -although no angles. The 1700s accounting and tax systems we have did that. It creates periodic booms and busts.

    Land prices follow the boost in the economy. That is true as the economy rises. The economy is taxed: earning, VAT, profits - progressive taxation. The value of the land is not and the land overtakes the the rest of the economy. Land values, cascaded into home prices, then overtakes and bust follows. The 1929 and 2008 crashes were property fuelled.
    • Taxing what people put into the economy/society is wrong - by a tax on their wages, profits. This holds us back as our efforst are penalised.
    • Taxing what people take out of the economy/society, such land value is the way.


    Look at Fred's videos. He has a series of six short vids. Well worth looking at. All comes clear.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZkfmY1PMng

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki-Od1MMa78&NR=1

    Fred caclulated that if Gordon Brown had inplemeted what Churchill wanted in 1909 10 years ago, each man woman and child in the UK wold have a increased incomes of £15,000 per ann.

    The only war Churchill ever lost was the war against the British Landlords when he attempted to tax the values of land.

    People cannot connect to land thinking it is a farmers type of thing. 1/3 of the value of your home is the land value.. The bricks are not worth much at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    They never really...

    Yes - but then the joke wouldn't have worked.

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    We should have one and most big cities do!
    Gididi Gididi Goo.

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    Such a project would never work as the bridge would collapse under the weight of money carried across it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    If you want rapid connection between both banks to merge the two more, then the three tunnels do it well enough with scope to put a rail link under the Queensway tunnel. It would need excavating ubnder the road deck from the two vent towers on each side of the river inland. The long river section can take a train under the road deck. The track can be single track - bi-directional. If the city is to reduce car dependency then using one of the Wallaset tunnels and makeing the other two-way is another option. This takes trains into Wallasey and the north end of Liverpool. Tram-trains can be use to negotitate Wallasey and link into Merseyrail in Liverpool.

    OK A link from Garston to Ellesmere Port would be nice and a trestle bridge was proposed anout 10 years ago carrying rail lines linking Merseyrail easier to that part of Wirrral and beter airport access - if an airport station was built. Also a link from Bootle to New Brighton. But a Mersey barrier can take care of the Bootle link, which may come about eventually as sea levels rise and we become more eco wanting tidal power.

    The barrier is the obvious link as it kills many birds with one stone.
    A footbridge? The river is too wide and too windy to have any level of use worth talking about.
    Would love a bridge from Garston to Ellesmere port!
    Gididi Gididi Goo.

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    A way to cross the Mersey quickly?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    A way to cross the Mersey quickly?

    There's been some mornings when I've felt like that cannon guy...

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