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    Yep Ged, it needs imagination. But to get the people in the road and rail lines need to be there. Road is great to and from Liverpool. The rail needs updating. If they can get right to the complex by rail is such a bonus as people from all over the North West and North Wales will flock in.


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    A 21st Century overhead in the form of a monorail alongside a rejuvenated stretch of the north waterfront is a must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    A 21st Century overhead in the form of a monorail alongside a rejuvenated stretch of the north waterfront is a must.
    The Docklands type of light-rail has the great advantage of running right onto Merseyrails existing network via the Wapping and Waterloo tunnels. Light structural beams can be used to span water stretches, they can get quite a length in one beam.

    This length of track is held up by single support columns. Cheap to do and twin track as well..


    This section is two column supporting but shows the lengths achieved

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    Now that Waterways I would love to see here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Now that Waterways I would love to see here
    The Docklands Light-Railways is ideal, in fact near perfect, for Liverpool and Wirral. The rolling stock can be used all over the Merseyrail network. It is cheap to construct and highly flexible.

    The first stage should be replacing the existing, expensive heavy-rail trains for light-rail. Merseyrail rolling stock is up for renewal in a few years time. The light-rail trains have shorter turning curves making them flexible around Liverpool and Wirral Waters and any extensions on the existing network - out of the Waterloo Tunnel and onto the Northern Line is an example. The Wirral Loop tunnel under Liverpool goes through track like wildfire because of the heavy-rail trains. This is more down time. Light-rail has no effect.

    Light-rail is cheaper to run as they use less energy to move and cheaper to maintain. Heavy-rail is for long distance. The short frequent stops of the Merseyrail network means they are overkill - a legacy of the past. Trains rarely hit 50mph on Merseyrail so no need for powerful fast trains, but they need rapid acceleration which electric motors give.
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    Its a great idea, would look good too.
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    I don't understand, who is supposed to fill these new buildings? Where are the new businesses creating the need for office space? Exchange Flags has taken 20 years to fill. Unity is half empty (Rumford House had better occupancy). The whole Liverpool Waters thing is a joke, who is ever going to build speculatively in this city?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanghai Scouser View Post
    I don't understand, who is supposed to fill these new buildings? Where are the new businesses creating the need for office space? Exchange Flags has taken 20 years to fill. Unity is half empty (Rumford House had better occupancy). The whole Liverpool Waters thing is a joke, who is ever going to build speculatively in this city?
    The buildings are not built by private companies to lose money. They will be filled when the economy turns. If they are there in attractive water side/docklands location large companies will be attracted to such buildings and over into the city.

    It is called being proactive.

    Companies did build speculatively, and still want to.
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    This building is not very interesting. It's a bit of Cardiff at the bottom and a bit of 90s Japan (possibly) for the rest. There is nothing distinctly Liverpool about the design ie. it should be bold, innovative; not copying something else, somewhere else.

    It seems this architect has struggled from a lack of understanding of the city and a vague brief to 'build it high to impress' and 'get it past CABE whatever it takes'.

    As for filling it, it won't get built until there is a perception of either increased demand or the existing demand finds Liverpool more attractive than elsewhere but there is a lot more to persuading people to move their livelihoods and homes to a city than building a railway.

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    What is Liverpool? The only thing I can say is that in the first part of then 20th century, the buildings were white.
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    Some buildings where indeed white but they didn't stay that way very long. The Liver Buildings were at their most impressive black with soot. There were a good number of white buildings in the centre but the predominant colour or material for the whole city would have been dark brick.

    As I say, I meant that Liverpool buildings are bold, almost bragging in their self-confidence with great power and authority. And they were built to very high standards. The journals at the time refer to this as 'the Liverpool way'.

    This building is a feeble copy of at least two others. It's no braver for picking out a trendy range of colours

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    I think the final product looks good and different. I makes you look, unlike Beetham 1.
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