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    If thats your level go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    If thats your level go for it.
    We could put one on its end. Prefabs. Very flat. The way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    We could put one on its end. Prefabs. Very flat. The way to go.
    If thats what you like...go for it. Im sure you would love that.
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    I agree Kev

    I just thought saying Prefab was a bit daft.

    I dont mind change and I dont think houses would be sutable in that area. I would like other ideas put forward or it will all Tower out of control.
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    They should go with the old design, the new one looks like some kind of giant rubix cube!
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    I would be happy for the Council to bung whatever they want up after they've completely refurbished this little lot:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Rot

    As we've already won the 'Carbuncle of the Year' award for the new Pier Head buildings, I'm sure we can only destroy the classic view of Liverpool even further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
    I would be happy for the Council to bung whatever they want up after they've completely refurbished this little lot:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Rot

    As we've already won the 'Carbuncle of the Year' award for the new Pier Head buildings, I'm sure we can only destroy the classic view of Liverpool even further.
    Land Value Tax would sort much of it out. Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh cleared many vacant lots and old buildings got renovated when LVT was introduced. When get a tax zap for the value of the land (and the land these buildings sit on is expensive, so a big asset) - then you soon do something with it. Currently they land is not taxed, only the buildings in council tax and if not occupied you pay little to nothing. Many leave the buildings and let them rot to the point is is pulled down then they sell the land and nice earner it is.

    The new buildings are private money. These buildings you point to are privately owned. LVT will force the issue.

    Economist Fred Harrison on LVT:
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    Friends of the Rochester Public Library hosted a presentation on land value taxation and a discussion with Joshua Vincent, executive director of the Henry George Foundation of America, yesterday.

    The foundation is a think-tank for the study of economics and LVT. Vincent has worked with more than 75 cities to study the impact of a conversion from the standard form of property taxation to LVT.

    The typical municipal property tax levies a lower value on land and puts a greater value on the improvements to the land, such as building a home or an office building.

    LVT works in reverse. There is a higher flat tax placed on the land, and in most cases there is no tax placed on the improvements.

    Advocates of LVT argue that the standard property tax has many disadvantages, and is at least partly responsible for urban decline, sprawl, and businesses leaving cities.

    The examples they give can be quite convincing. For instance, under the standard property tax system, owners of vacant land and deteriorating properties are rewarded for allowing their properties to remain run down.

    And they contribute less to the city's tax base while they cause urban blight - ultimately another cost to taxpayers. And those property owners who do restore older properties or make expansions to existing properties are penalized with higher assessments.

    Most of the conversions to LVT in the US have occurred in Pennsylvania. Harrisburg and Pittsburg have converted to LVT, and their comebacks have been credited to the switch. Philadelphia is about to make the shift, which would make it the largest city in the US to convert to LVT.

    Vincent argues that many of the same conditions that impacted PA's rustbelt cities still plague Buffalo and Rochester.
    "Rochester has backed itself into a corner in its tax policy," Vincent says. "No one wants to shut down services. But every year city governments in New York are chasing more tax revenue from fewer and fewer people."
    Vincent will be meeting with members of City Council today at 4 p.m. It should be an interesting meeting, since some Council members are already convinced that LVT would not work here.

    Despite the mayor's ongoing concern about closing revenue gaps and obtaining more state aid from Albany, there were no city officials at yesterday's public discussion with Vincent.
    http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.co...rgh-can-do-it/

    Philadelphia is preparing for LVT to clear away vacant plots owned by assent landlords. Just what Liverpool needs. Make them pay the full amount for the land and they will sell then land or build on the land. Good example:
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    Can`t we fill the nearly empty towers we already have before we build more
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    No. You prepare for the future. You are being reactive not proactive. We have a whole docks network in Liverpool and Birkenhead to rebuild. When they started to build Dockland in London, they never had a list of buyers waiting. They assessed the market and projected. That is what these people are doing, who are putting up serious money to built these towers. They look ahead. Liverpool is predicted to be a super-city by one futurist company - it will not be one if the city took notice of old look-back fogies on this forum.

    The blocks will be filled in time. Why are people so anti-progress in Liverpool? It is not as if the city is laying in clover. It needs a massive leg up. It is still a poor city that lacks a lot and tatty in parts.

    It needs quality flats and offices. Quality developments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    It needs a massive leg up. It is still a poor city.
    I guess another way of putting it is "Fur coat and no knickers". That's what it is. I'm all for progress but we've all witnessed so called "progress" in the past and look what "progress" done to most of our fine architectural buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaZappathing View Post
    I guess another way of putting it is "Fur coat and no knickers". That's what it is. I'm all for progress but we've all witnessed so called "progress" in the past and look what "progress" done to most of our fine architectural buildings.
    You, and many others, are confusing many points rolling them all into one:
    1. Preserving old buildings
    2. Promoting economic growth
    Preserving buildings can be done by many angles. One is LVT. Read the bit I posted. Read up on LVT and Geoism. Pittsburgh stopped the rot. Another is legislation. Grants to update, etc.

    Pointing at advanced buildings that will promote the economy and growth is mutually exclusive to preserving old buildings.

    No one is saying pull the old down to build the new. They are doing both at the same time, new and keeping old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    No. You prepare for the future. You are being reactive not proactive.
    Can we build whole cities ontop of the clouds, under the sea and a Liverpool on Mars (since we're a Red city ) ? That'll be the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouse smurf View Post
    Can we build whole cities ontop of the clouds, under the sea and a Liverpool on Mars (since we're a Red city ) ? That'll be the future
    If you say so.
    But rebuilding a depressed city, that has been depressed for 40 years, that clearly needs rebuilding preparing for the future is necessary.

    Or we could sit back and stare at Mars instead.
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