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    Thumbs up Moorish Arch Edge Hill Liverpool Not So Beautiful and Ornate Anymore

    Took these pictures today [2nd February 2010]. I was quite excited.

    Final Attachment: I have tried to give an impression of what the arch looked like when it was newly built.


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    Nice photos Kev.

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    It had to be demolished to widen the cutting when the 1846 secondary tunnel was bored into the Crown Street Goods yard. It was a part of the bridge which is still there. Well it is not a bridge as it is still a solid rock arch left in place.
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    Liked picture 9 of 9. Fine pictures, Kev.

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    Very interesting, Kev. I am having trouble though relating what you photographed with what the Moorish Arch looked like when it was built. Could you guide us?

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    Well done getting those pics Kev.

    Like Chris, I'm a bit lost too. The very bottom left picture - is that part of the reamins of the arch ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Very interesting, Kev. I am having trouble though relating what you photographed with what the Moorish Arch looked like when it was built. Could you guide us?

    Chris
    Kev has superimposed the moorish arch on his last photo to show what it would have looked like.

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    By Bing.
    Look south and the three tunnels are seen - Two Crown St and the centre Wapping.
    The cutting looking east. The arch was to the right of Chatsworth Ave bridge. The steam tunnels can be seen
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMLE View Post
    Kev has superimposed the moorish arch on his last photo to show what it would have looked like.
    That definielty helps. Thanks to both of you for your help, JMLE and Waterways.

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    You're welcome

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    This bit - street level ? I'd have to be there and see it to work it out.

    I'm wondering where you are standing .. behind the fence ? is this where you can look over to the track ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    Well done getting those pics Kev.

    Like Chris, I'm a bit lost too. The very bottom left picture - is that part of the remains of the arch ?
    Lindy the bridge walls were castellated to match the arch. The wall was made higher - cheaply - later in the 1800s. That can be seen by the sandstone and brick extension.

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    Thanks WW, I just seen the attachments

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    Thanks WW, I just seen the attachments
    It looks like Kev is photographing just above the three tunnels in the school playground.
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    ahh yes, that'll be it. I was wondering about that fence. It makes sense if there is playground there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    This bit - street level ? I'd have to be there and see it to work it out.

    I'm wondering where you are standing .. behind the fence ? is this where you can look over to the track ?
    Hi Linda,

    I photographed the area through a hole in the wall with permission to be on the school site of course.

    Have a look at the attachement. Just below the left corner you can see where I have photographed the corner structure behind which, I was standing when I photographed it.
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    Between Chatsworth bridge, where the arch was, and the tunnel portals was the original Edge Hill station. The steps took people down to the station. The station along with Crown St station was abandoned in 1836 and moved over to the end of the Lime St newly dug tunnel.

    The map shows the current Edge Hill stn (1836). Liverpool had abandoned two railway stations before London even had a rail station. Because of the moving of the station, this leaves Broad Green Station as the oldest station in the world.
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    Excellent pic Kev!

    A few more can be found here:

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    Taken from the archives of the Pearsons of Liverpool book:

    That part of Smithdown Lane was once taken over as a secure compound for Pearsons!


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    I never found out why the steps were knocked away. There was no erosion I'm sure.
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    The Moorish Arch - designed by architect John Foster (jnr) and completed in 1830. The railway itself was opened to the public on 15th September 1830. The then Prime Minister, the Duke of Wellington [of battle of Waterloo fame] also attended and would have himself passed through the arch as part of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway inauguration.

    The arch served a practical purpose. The column like walls either side of the arch housed the steam engines that provided the power to rope haul the train and carriages from Crown Street station up the embankment. According to Hugh Hollinghurst, John Foster and Sons, Kings of Georgian Liverpool it was demolited in 1860, as part of a track widening programme.

    Why a 'Moorish' arch though? H.H. [above] doesn't offer an explanation. And so far to date most of the buildings by John Foster (jnr) were in the Greek Revival style. I would like to think it had something to do with the mystery and exoticism that travel possesses. And in a way the arch was a new gateway to the future. I think it was a kind of postcard advertising access to a rapidily shrinking and still largely unknown world out there.


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    Fascinating thread with lots of great images.

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