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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Interesting pic's Ged! Reminded me of the time I was in Amsterdam,and for something different,we jumped on a tram,and went to the terminus,which was several miles out of town! We were surprised,(after the "quaintness of the city,itself) to be confronted by numerous tower blocks,maisonettes,3 up flats,along the route,causing one lad to say"it's just like Kirby",which I suppose it was,to a point! The main difference was how clean and tidy it all looked,(though there was some "artistic" graffiti !) much like many Liverpool estates,when they were first built!
    Seeing pic's of these estates on here,and elsewhere,can only make you wonder what went wrong,but I suppose it only takes a few,to ruin it for the majority!
    It shows how short sighted Liverpool was that we knocked down all (bar one) of our tenements, yet in other European cities they still stand proud.

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    Yes, city centre apartment living is back in vogue big time. What price this prime real estate that was demolished? Actually though, there are about 10 tenement blocks still remaining, mostly renovated and renamed as private apartments such as Wavertree Gardens, Gt. Richmond St flats, Minster Court (Ex Myrtle Gdns) etc... I expect you were thinking of the Bullring BJ?
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    I watched the programme on catch up. I always thought that Myrtle House was Minister Court and Myrtle Gardens were the other flats. I would have put a year's wages on being right. Obviously all these years I've been wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Well I enjoyed that.
    Me too, just wondering, was the aerial shot at the beginning of 'homes for workers' Norris Green?

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    It was barizla yes. Lancelot Keay was responsible for the Norris Green estate whilst in office too and a lot of the 30s houses still in situ along Queens Drive, 50,000 new dwellings he oversaw. burkhilly you could be right as Minster Court are the flats on Melville Place which were part of the Myrtle Gardens complex which it is referred to in general. For instance, when people from outside my old area talk of Gerard Gardens, they can also mean Gerard Crescent or any of the other 5 blocks that made up the development. It's just that Gerard Gardens like Myrtle Gardens had the big letters over the archway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burkhilly View Post
    I watched the programme on catch up. I always thought that Myrtle House was Minister Court and Myrtle Gardens were the other flats. I would have put a year's wages on being right. Obviously all these years I've been wrong.
    Brother burkhilly,for what it's worth,the building now designated Minster Court, was originally one of the blocks comprising Myrtle Gardens,Myrtle House was reached by crossing Myrtle St. at a tangent (the main entrance being on Crown St.).
    My father's family in the late 19th.c lived at various times in the following streets in the area- Hume/Kingsland/Myers/Linden/Harding, and the court buildings of Falkner St and (not sure where this was exactly) Palice St.
    My grandmother and her three children moved to 46a Myrtle Gardens when opened (her mother dying there in 1953) and decamped along with her extended family in 1966 to the suburbs of Lee Park.
    Flat 46a remains, but the view from it's windows is altered beyond all recognition.
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    Just in case anybody missed it who wanted to see it, don't forget it's repeated again tonight on BBC4 at 8pm.
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    Watched it last night on 'catch up'. Really good programme.
    What a shame we lost most of the tenements. I know people who lived in 'the buildings' in Kirkdale. Melrose house, Owen house etc. . They all loved living there, so why demolish them??!!

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    Back on tonight BBC4 8pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Just in case anybody missed it who wanted to see it, don't forget it's repeated again tonight on BBC4 at 8pm.
    Just put it on record. Cheers Ged la kidder buddy chum
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    Just watched it. Brilliant programme!

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    I think people tend to look back with rose coloured glasses, flats and tenements were horrible to live in and should never have been built.
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    Whilst I agree with the rose tinted glasses bit, I know many many people who loved living in the tenements. They were of their time, and it was only when the drug dealers/ users etc moved in that their days became numbered. They provided good family homes to many and created communities that do not exist today. I think its right that we celebrate their creation, many families would have still been living in slums had the City not had forsight to try and look after its workers.

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    From listening to the programme, they were great places to live whilst residents were in employment. Sadly went down hill when labour relaxed the rules.......

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    Ordinary houses in streets created great communities too. Ask anybody who has lived in both which they would rather have.
    Before the drugs there were other anti social things went on in the flats like using the staircases and lifts as toilets,blocked refuse shutes, poor water supplies,noise pollution.
    Kirkby built a few blocks that didn`t last very long on Tower Hill.
    What you have to remember is people who were moved into the sort of housing normally came from
    poorly built homes,
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    The Great Estate: The Rise & Fall of the Council House......................repeated tonight 10 PM on BBC Four

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    Yes, it's well worth a watch. Cheers Lizzie.
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    Thanks Lizzie. I saw it first time around. Good documentary.

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    Gerard Gardens and outside No. 15d to be exact. A flat close to my heart as I was never out of there during the 70s when my Uncle Charlie and Aunty Maureen had it and my cousin Paul was one of my best mates.

    This photo of an original Mary Ellen was taken pre 1950 as the lift shafts are yet to be built. Notice the tin bowl and stool and that'll no doubt be here daughter helping her hang out the washing. The childrens playground is still in situ and if this was in colour, no doubt the corpy colour scheme of cream over green would be evident.

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    Great photo, thanks Ged,
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    Even better Chas, a lady on the Gerard Gardens facebook site has just put the names to the faces. They are her grandma Catherine Connors and her cousin Joan who is now around 74 years of age. That makes it nearly a dozen actual houses or people found (by pure luck) in the last 6 weeks but if you don't dig em' out and post them - they stay hidden forever.
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    I'm in total agreement. Just been following this thread from page 1, finished it at page 7, fascinating debates, will start it at page 8 soon, it's amazing how time flies.
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    Cheers chas, catch you later.
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    Sir Thomas White Gardens (copyright A.S.Clayton)


    Petton Street maisonettes in the background where possibly Robbo lived?






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    The Bullring today. Showing one of my daughters and her fella a little of what it was like to live in a similar block to ours.



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    Todays style of new build tenements:

    Central Gardens, Liverpool city centre.



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    Kielder Gardens, Salford, Manchester as viewed from the M602.



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    Well the biggest difference is not really noticable to look at. The room sizes are about the same and they are landing dwellings of the type demolished by the council in their wisdom who demolished some Community spirit in the process. No, the biggest difference is the cost of living in these new vogue apartments. Oh how the circle comes round again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savo View Post
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