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    Hi Ross
    Great web site.
    My mum used to live in King Gardens in Liverpool 8 in the 60's, and I have found it so hard to find a pic of them for her.
    I have attached the ones I have come across so far...hope it helps!!
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    There are still the tenements near Crown Street (Minster Court) built where the orphanage once was (explaining the road name Orphan Street).

    Someone told me there were once tenements like this where the Old Swan Tesco superstore is too...

    Eldon Grove is currently being renovated I think.

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    Gardens? There wasn't a blade of grass anywhere near them. They ended up souless hell holes, creating social problems. They were quick fixes to get people out of the slums in the 1930s. One sort of slum to another with inside toilets and and hot and cold water. Once the slums had largley gone, then they went. Thank God.

    Caryl Gardens had some art deco features.
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    Tennaments in Garston too. I've pics of old Liverpool housing, I shall get them out later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Tennaments in Garston too. I've pics of old Liverpool housing, I shall get them out later.
    They were everywhere. The best of them was probably Hirst Gardens in Old Swan.
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    I've a book at home full of pictures of these tenaments, I'll dig em out later and post away.

    Liverpool are full of these tenaments, some nice looking and some plain horrible. They finally took down Paddington in Edge Hill before 2000 to build a student village (and finally uncovered some long lost tunnels).

    The ones on Orphan Street were a major balls up by the Council. They were priced 1mill to demolish them and build new flats until a local builder told the council that he would pay 200, 000 for the entire building if he could do the work himself. Needless to say, he transformed these in to some nice apartments and made a pretty penny in the process.

    The bull ring were so badly designed as the noise in the centre just echoed around the entire place.

    Ill dig out all my pics later, got a load for some reason!

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    Here is a check list of some Corporation "Dwellings" in Liverpool.

    It's far from complete, but should include most of the well-known blocks.

    I haven't included tower blocks.


    1868-9 Housing: St Martin's Cottages, Vauxhall Road/Silvester Street. Built 1868-69. Opened 1869. 124 units. These were Liverpool's (& Britain's) 1st Corporation Housing.
    1885/12/?? Housing: Victoria Square Dwellings. (Nash Grove) (The 2nd example of Corporation Housing). Opened December 1885. 282 Flats.
    1890 Housing: Labourers' Dwellings, Juvenal Street. (3rd example of Corporation Housing). Completed Dec. 1890. 102 units.
    1897/04/?? Housing: Gildart's Gardens Dwellings (including Kearney Place & Purcell Place). Opened April 1897, 88 units. 1904, 141 units.
    1897/06/?? Housing: Arley Street Dwellings. 1st phase opened June 1897, 38 units. 1902 : 1903, 8.
    1901/04/?? Housing: Dryden Street Dwellings (including Rachel Street). Opened April 1901. 182 units.
    1902 Housing: Kew Street Dwellings (including Newsham Street). Built 1902. See: 1902, 1903, 114 units. 1932, 9 units.
    1902-3 Housing: Adlington Street Area Tenements. First phase completed & opened in 1902. 1902 : 1903. 272 units
    1902/02/?? Housing: Fontenoy Street Dwellings. Opened February 1902. 16 units.
    1902/02/?? Housing: Kempston Street Tenements (including Gildart Street & Constance Street) opened February 1902. 79 units.
    1903 Housing: Kew Street Dwellings (including Newsham Street). Opened 1903. See: 1902, 1903, 114 units. 1932, 9 units.
    1903 Housing: Mill Street (Tenements) in course of erection on site of tramway stables, 1903.
    1903 Housing: Upper Mann Street, Toxteth (Tenements). Proposed to be built, 1903. 88 units. See: 1903, 1905, 1906.
    1903 Housing: Upper Stanhope Street (Tenements) in course of erection on site of tramway stables. Opened 1903.
    1905 Housing: Clive Street and Shelley Street. Built 1905. 83 units.
    1905 Housing: Eldon Street (Corporation Flats). Built 1904-5. Opened 1905. 12 flats.
    1905 Housing: Upper Mann Street, Toxteth (Tenements). Opened 1905-06. 88 units. See: 1903, 1905, 1906.
    1905 or 1913 Housing: (Check) Rutter Street (Tenements). 1905 or 1913.
    1905 or 1914 Housing: (Check) Shelley Street (Tenements). 1905 or 1914.
    1906 Housing: Upper Mann Street, Toxteth (Tenements). Opened 1905-06. 88 units. See: 1903, 1905, 1906.
    1909 Housing: Combermere Street, Toxteth (Tenements). Built 1909. 49 units.
    1910 Housing: Mile End (Corporation Flats). Opened 1910.
    1910 Housing: Wavertree Garden Suburb, Nook Rise etc. 1910 etc.
    1910/05/?? Housing: Burlington Street Flats. Opened May 1910, 114 units. 1931/6, 209 units.
    1911 Housing: 123-137 Grafton Street, Toxteth. (Corporation dwellings). Built 1911. 48 units.
    1911 Housing: Bond Street Flats. Opened 1911. (?1925. 24?)
    1911 Housing: Eldon Grove (Corporation Flats). Opened 1911.
    1911 Housing: Limekiln Lane (Corporation Flats). Opened 1911.
    1911 Housing: Saltney Street. Built 1911. 48 units.
    1912/06/14 Housing: Bevington Street Area, Corporation Workmen's Dwellings. Built 1911-12. Officially opened 14 June 1912. 224 units.
    1913 Housing: Northumberland Street, Toxteth. "Landing House" Tenements (68 units). Opened 1913.
    1913 Housing: Southwell Street (Tenements). Built 1913.
    1914 Housing: St Anne Street & Birkett Street (Corporation Flats). Opened 1914. 78 units.
    1916 Housing: Gore Street, Toxteth. Built 1916. 24 units.
    1916 Housing: Jordan Street (off St James Street - 3 storeys). Opened 1916. 31 Dwellings.
    1916 Housing: Sparling Street (3-Bed Houses). Opened 1916. 16 Dwellings.
    1920s Housing: South Hill House, Toxteth. Corporation Tenements. Built 1920s.
    1921 Housing: Chillingham Street. (3-Bed Houses). Occupied 1921+.
    1921 Housing: Dingle Lane, Toxteth (Houses). Built 1921.
    1921 Housing: Eridge Street, Toxteth. (3-Bed Houses). Occupied 1921+
    1921 Housing: Mason Street (Tenements). Built 1921. 28 units.
    1921 Housing: Penrhyn Street (Corporation Tenements). Opened 1921. 26 units
    1923 Housing: Blenheim Street (Corporation Flats). Opened 1923. 18 units.
    1924 Housing: Prince Edwin Street (Corporation Tenements). Opened 1924. 60 units.
    1925 Housing: St Augustine Street (Corporation Housing). Opened 1925. 6 units.
    1926 Housing: Norris Green Estate. Started 1926.
    1926/10/04 Housing: Dingle, Toxteth. Operations started on new housing scheme on 4 October 1926.
    1927/10/06 Housing: Knotty Ash Estate bought by the Corporation for housing purposes, 6 October 1927.
    1928 Housing: 30-40 Pitt Street (Corporation Tenements). Built 1928. 48 units. See: 1750, 1754, 1765, 1785, 1803, 1905, 1928.
    1928 Housing: Dingle House, South Hill Road, Toxteth (Tenements). 1928.
    1928/06/29 Housing: South Hill Road Tenement Dwellings, Toxteth. Official opening by Neville Chamberlain, the Minister of Health, 29 June 1928. 198 units.
    1929 Housing: Melrose House (Tenements). Built 1929. 260 units
    1929 Housing: Rankin Street. Built 1929. 46 units.
    1930 Housing: Dovecot Estate. 1930 onwards.
    1930 Housing: Hopwood Gardens (Corporation Flats), Hopwood Street. Opened 1930. 30 units.
    1930s Housing: Almond Gardens. 1930s.
    1930s? Housing: Walton Park Gardens (Corporation Flats)
    1930s? Housing: Myrtle House, Myrtle/Crown/Falkner Streets.
    1931 Housing: Beloe Street Tenements, Dingle, Toxteth, built 1931. 69 units.
    1931 Housing: Great Richmond Street (Corporation Flats). Opened 1931. 21 units.
    1931 Housing: Holly Street (Corporation Flats). Opened 1931. 34 units.
    1931-6 Housing: Burlington Street Flats. 1910: 114 units. 1931/6: 209 units.
    1932 Housing: Burnett Street. Built 1932. 16 units.
    1932 Housing: Dingle Mount Tenements, Toxteth. Built 1932. 118 units.
    1932 Housing: Kew Street Dwellings (including Newsham Street). 1902 : 1903, 114. 1932, 9.
    1933 Housing: Speke Road Gardens. Municipal housing completed 1933.
    1934 Housing: Blackstock Gardens (Corporation Flats). Opened 1934. 134 units.
    1934 Housing: Dingle Road, Toxteth. Built 1934. 14 units.
    1934/01/?? Housing: St Andrew's Gardens (Flats), Brownlow Hill (Trowbridge Street). Work started in January 1934. See: 1934, 1935.
    1935 Housing: Chaucer House (Corporation Flats), Scotland Road. Opened 1935. 35 units. .
    1935 Housing: St James Gardens, Toxteth. Built 1935.
    1935 Housing: Wavertree Gardens (Flats), High Street. Built 1935.
    1935/06/22 Housing: St Andrew's Gardens (Flats), Brownlow Hill (Trowbridge Street). Opened 22 June 1935. 346 units. See: 1934, 1935.
    1935/7 Housing: Wilbraham House, Scotland Road. Opened 1935/7. 60 Flats.
    1935/8 Housing: Fontenoy Gardens. Built 1935/8. 111 units.
    1936 Housing: Muirhead Avenue flats. Occupied 1936
    1936 Housing: Nelson Street. Built 1936. 25 units.
    1936/7 Housing: Caryl Gardens, Toxteth (Corporation Flats). Built 1936/7. 312 units.
    1936/7 Housing: Myrtle Gardens, Crown Street/Myrtle Street. Built 1936/7. 344 units.
    1936/8 Housing: Highfield Gardens (Flats). Built 1936/8. 107 units.
    1936/8/9 Housing: Gerard Gardens (Flats). Foundation Stone 1935. Built 1936/38/39. 312 units.
    1937 Housing: Grafton House (Flats), Hill Street, Toxteth. Built 1937. 56 units.
    1937 Housing: Horatio Street. Built 1937. 44 units.
    1937 Housing: Johnson Street Area. Built 1937. 40 units.
    1937 Housing: Prince Albert Gardens (Flats), Upper Frederick Street. Built 1937. 72 units.
    1937 to 1950s Housing: Speke Housing Estate. Started 1937, & continued into the 1950s.
    1933/8 Housing: Queen Anne Street Area (Flats). Built 1933/8. 449 units.
    1938 Housing: Birkett Street (Flats). Built 1938.
    1938 Housing: Brunswick Gardens (Flats), Northumberland/Caryl/Park Streets, Toxteth. Built 1938. 150 units.
    1938 Housing: Kent Gardens, Kent Square. Built 1938. 90 units.
    1938 Housing: Larkhill Estate, Muirhead Avenue. Built 1938.
    1938 Housing: Stanhope House, Upper Stanhope Street, Toxteth. Built 1938. 67 units.
    1938 Housing: Warwick Gardens (Corporation Flats), Caryl Street & Warwick Street, Toxteth. Built 1938. 107 units.
    1938-40 Housing: Sir Thomas White Gardens (Flats), St Domingo Road. (On the site of St Domingo House). Built 1938-40. 348 units.
    1938-39 Housing: Windsor Gardens (Flats), Falkner Street (Corlett Street). Built 1938/9. 138 units.
    1938-39 Housing: Woodstock Gardens (Corporation Flats), Westmorland Place/Woodstock Street. Opened 1938/9. 201 flats.
    1939 Housing: Ashfield Gardens (Corporation Flats), Latimer Street/Silvester Street/Limekiln Lane/Westmoreland Place. Opened 1939.
    1939 Housing: Paddington Gardens, Mason Street. Built 1939. 100 units.
    1939 Housing: St Oswald Gardens (Flats). Built 1939.
    1939/40 Housing: Portland Gardens (Corporation Flats). Opened 1939/40. 110 Flats.
    1940s? Housing: Sussex Gardens West, Toxteth. 1940s?
    1949 Housing: King Gardens, Mill Street, Toxteth. See: 1938, 150. 1949.
    1950 Housing: Sussex Gardens, South Chester Street, Toxteth. Built 1950.
    1950s Housing: Corporation Flats, Great George Street area. Built 1950s.
    1950s Housing: Harrington Gardens, Mill Street/Hill Street, Toxteth. Built 1950s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snappel View Post
    There are still the tenements near Crown Street (Minster Court) built where the orphanage once was (explaining the road name Orphan Street).

    Someone told me there were once tenements like this where the Old Swan Tesco superstore is too...

    Eldon Grove is currently being renovated I think.
    Minster Court? They were called Windor House, Myrtle House and Myrtle Gardens

    From Dave's site:

    Myrtle House to the right:


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    Yes, but now the remaining sections (not the block on the left, or the front of the block on the right - that's all gone now for newer housing) are now called Minster Court. Flat's aren't bad either - some problems with damp, but they seem to be mainly lived in by students and 'young professionals'.

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    Snappel. Yes, there were tenements where the new Tescos is in Old Swan.
    It's not that long ago that they were demolished.

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    I didn't like tenement blocks. They are so ugly and depressing.
    It's true as has been pointed out that they were noisy 'cos the sound would echo everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    I didn't like tenement blocks. They are so ugly and depressing.
    It's true as has been pointed out that they were noisy 'cos the sound would echo everywhere.
    And no lifts and 5 floors up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    And no lifts and 5 floors up.
    Garston Tennies had lifts, i was stuck in them as a kid. Funny story....
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    My in laws use to live in Kent Gardens
    " If you know your history, then you would know where you coming from".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Garston Tennies had lifts,
    That must have been near the end.
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    Here's a few various pics, many thanks to Records Office at Liverpool City Library.
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    Think my dad used to live in the bullring.
    Gididi Gididi Goo.

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    What I find amazing is that most of these places were demolished not long before my time.

    Gerard Gardens was demolished in 87, the year I was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    And no lifts and 5 floors up.
    And stunk of pee pee, if I recall

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouserdave View Post
    And stunk of pee pee, if I recall
    Yes, sorry Dave, I was only 8 and lost my bodily functions trapped in the lift
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    Many were looking pretty tatty by then- I remember loads boarded up with steel shutters. Whether that was an indication of their popularity, or a policy by the council, i dont know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Here's what life was like in 1910, Eldon Street:
    Don't know about the kitchen, but I've give a few bob for that bed.

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    Mytle street area pics:
    The first one is a library pic, the rest are from 2004/6...some features can still be found in Minster Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snappel View Post
    There are still the tenements near Crown Street (Minster Court) built where the orphanage once was (explaining the road name Orphan Street).

    Someone told me there were once tenements like this where the Old Swan Tesco superstore is too...

    Eldon Grove is currently being renovated I think.
    Yes, they were only demolished to make way for Tesco's - Unlike most of the tenaments from the 30's, the whole bottom floor was purpose built shops (talking about the whole ground floor, not the single shops like in Myrtle gardens). Seem to remember the ones facing the old Poly on Byrom street had shops on the ground floor aswell - did I go to an Army and Navy store there or am I imagining it? There was also a block on th e corner of Edge lane and St Oswald street that was onlt demolished in the 90's and was used for filming the riot scenes in the film 'In the name of the Father'.

    Remember as a kid going to a chinese laundry round by Soho street somewhere while my dad put his shirt collars in and him taking me to see the tenaments where he used to live which was part of what was known as the 4 squares. Think it had been renamed Concorde close by then and was empty awaiting demolition. Very weird at the time, deserted and atmospheric, could almost hear the kids singing and playing from the past, scared me a bit - mad imagination I had

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    Parts of Sussex gardens, Dingle, still exists. It's been refurbished and named Acorn Court (a gated community). Someone should collect pics of all these remaining 'council houses' and do a web-site.
    Here's Eldon Grove (still not finished yet) and Gt Richmond st. dwellings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marky View Post
    Parts of Sussex gardens, Dingle, still exists. It's been refurbished and named Acorn Court (a gated community).
    What part is left? To the right of the pub. Is that one of the old Sussex Gardens buildings? If so, using these old buildings is folly. The walls have no insulation in them whatsoever, so the flats must be expensive to run. For e.g., latest insualtion regs have 12" of rockwool in the lofts. It is always best to demolish and start again with modern designs and construction techniques.



    Laxey St next to Warwick St and runs between Park Rd and Mill St. The flats on the left are still there - they had the top floors knocked off and the remaining two floors converted to family homes. There again these have no insulation in the walls and no insulation under the concrete base slab. A waste of time.

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    Sussex gardens: So far as I remember new houses were built on the Park Place side (built by Baratts?) and the rest were converted/demolished into flats (new roofs, windows etc). To the right of pub in that pic (and leading up Upper Warwick St).
    I checked recently...the rows of blocks exist from South Chester st. to Luke st.
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    Paul Sudbury, of the film documentary 'Gardens of Stone' has just linked me to this forum. I am pleased to say that book No.3 (and probably my last) in the series is now available - yellow cover with thumbnail pics.

    Thank you Ross for the glowing tribute - we aim to please you know.

    The third book features most of the tenny's in Liverpool (not just the central area as before) and so Wavertree Gardens (now Abbeygate apartments), Myrtle Gardens, King Gardens, Hurst Gardens, St. Oswalds, Wilbraham House, Dingle Mount, Melrose Road flats etc all feature as well as many others.

    As ever, there are many (around 180) previously unpublished pics, including those of private collectors of these great Liverpool landmarks and the surrounding streets and Christy will find a picture of the Ah Thai Chinese laundry in Soho Street even as the four squares were part of our 'growing up' area in those heady days from the late 60s to the mid 80s.

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