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    Liverpool Waters developer Peel unveils latest proposals
    Jan 28 2010
    by Neil Hodgson, Liverpool Daily Post


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    LIVERPOOL will get a vision of its future this weekend when property developer Peel stages a public consultation on its plans £5.5bn Liverpool Waters proposal.

    The waterfront scheme is proposed to transform derelict dockland to the north of the city into a vibrant commercial and residential hub rivalling anywhere in the world.

    Its exhibition near the cityís MetQuarter, at 9 Whitechapel from 10am-5pm tomorrow and Saturday, will feature the latest scale model of the draft project and exclusive new images, to encourage visitors to offer their views on Peelís ambitious plans that could take up to 30 years to complete.

    An outline planning application is currently being prepared for the scheme, which is the largest urban regeneration project in the UK.

    It includes more than 150 acres of disused dockland, which it is planned will be redeveloped into a high quality, mixed-use new quarter of Liverpool where people can live, work and enjoy the spectacular waterfront.

    Peelís vision for Liverpool Waters includes creating a major sustainable community in this part of the city.

    It is being designed to make a significant contribution to the economic resurgence of Liverpool and its wider area, with new and existing residents and increasing the number of visitors to the city.

    Part of Liverpool Waters is planned to accommodate city centre expansion and it is also intended to stimulate regeneration in adjoining areas of the city centre, north Liverpool and the wider area.
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    That's good news! I hope they can find the finace to do it, as the banks still aren't lending? Though it says they're only submitting for outline planning consent at the moment? A case of watch this space then?

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    Peel are a property company and the most money is made in dealing with land. All their proposals involve water spoace filling in Liverpool and Wirral Waters.

    They are aiming to build mini Dockland in two locations. Should we take them serious? Merseyrail rapid-transit is essential to ensure the success of Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters. They require direct Underground rail access to: Liverpool city centre, to each complex and to Liverpool John Lennon airport. There are no firm proposals to run rapid-transit rail into the two complexes. There has been no formal plan to run rapid-transit rail into the Liverpool Waters complex - we will see in a matter of days.

    They proposed running trams to Hamilton Square for Wirral Waters. They cannot be taken seriously when they propose a mickey mouse transport system for this?


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    Sounds a bit hicky without a solid transport infrastructure on the table. They'll need to convince the planners with a robust plan, before any permission is granted? It'll be interesting to see how it develops? As for building it, many developers are struggling at the moment to finance schemes such as these. I don't think that's their motivation though?

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    Looks ugly as sin to me. I like older buildings not these glass monsters. City is looking horrible. Wont be able to see the Liver Building soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Sounds a bit hicky without a solid transport infrastructure on the table. They'll need to convince the planners with a robust plan, before any permission is granted? It'll be interesting to see how it develops? As for building it, many developers are struggling at the moment to finance schemes such as these. I don't think that's their motivation though?
    For London's Docklands to be successfully a new metro network was built first, the Docklands Light Railway. It services virtually a new town within a city, and gives rapid-transit connections to the rest of London and airports. It has over 30 stations, about half the number of Merseyrail. This rapid-transit metro was viewed as essential for the success of the project attracting investors to Docklands. The metro ensured the success of the London Docklands transforming the redundant docks into a world financial centre.

    None is proposed for Wirral Waters, which tells me Peel are not serious. Wirral Waters is easily accessed by the disused Birkenhead Dock Branch, directly. I'm sure Peel will get water spaces filled in and sell off the land. Land by stealth.

    The Birkenhead Dock Branch Line cuts right through Birkenhead centre. Such a deep cutting is a hindrance through a town centre. Precast concrete arches can be used to cover the line creating a 4 track wide tunnel. Provision for a station could be created in the tunnel for future use. The whole cutting can be backfilled using the now massive trench as a lucrative landfill site. The resulting land may be sold off and developments built upon. Then Birkenhead is rid of a deep ugly gorge through its centre, and the profit from Landfill and land creation set against the cost of re-instating the line.

    Below: The Birkenhead Dock Branch Line is in the cutting seen bottom left - the green line:


    Below: The yellow line is the existing Merseyrail line from Birkenhead central station.
    The green is Birkenhead Central station
    The red line is where Wirral Waters can be joined onto rapid-transit Merseyrail using the old Birkenhead Dock branch giving rapid access to Chester and Liverpool city centre and the airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Looks ugly as sin to me. I like older buildings not these glass monsters. City is looking horrible. Wont be able to see the Liver Building soon.
    Liverpool pioneered the glass monsters - which I like.

    Below, Oriel Chambers, 1864, Water St. The world's first glass curtain walled building - the pioneer of them all.


    Below: 16 Cook St, the second, 1866, note the full walled glass floor to ceiling:
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    Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
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    Now they are nice.

    The new stuff is horrid on the eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Now they are nice.

    The new stuff is horrid on the eye.
    Some modern architecture is stunning. Spike you should get around a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Some modern architecture is stunning. Spike you should get around a bit.
    I do, and I dont like it...Its my choice and I think it looks ugly.
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    WW, I notice u didn't put a photo of that horrible mirrored building on the corner of old hall st as an example.

    Spike, u're right about some of the newer architecture. Just look at the new hospital their building in garston, old one looks much better but I can imagine the facilities weren't the greatest.

    Buildingwise, as it is that area of the wirral is a bit of an eyesore anyway and would hopefully benefit from this, although I still don't think it will ever happen... Oh and who cares if them from over the water can see the liver building

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouse smurf View Post
    WW, I notice u didn't put a photo of that horrible mirrored building on the corner of old hall st as an example.

    Spike, u're right about some of the newer architecture. Just look at the new hospital their building in garston, old one looks much better but I can imagine the facilities weren't the greatest.

    Buildingwise, as it is that area of the wirral is a bit of an eyesore anyway and would hopefully benefit from this, although I still don't think it will ever happen... Oh and who cares if them from over the water can see the liver building
    There is hardly a decent building in the Wirral. Look at the view Liverpool has of the opposite bank.

    To say all modern builds are bad is rather silly. They sort of anally retentive attitude that kept the city back. Like rejecting this world-class proposal from a locally funded company, which would have been built before the CC and jump started the regeneration of the south end.


    The mirrored building was not built in 1864 and was not the first building of its type. I like that building.
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    Glad we never got that one its horrible.
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    Spike that's amazing that building !



    I like both old and new, but new buildings have to be particularly stunning and not just run of the mill boring carbuncles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouse smurf View Post
    WW, I notice u didn't put a photo of that horrible mirrored building on the corner of old hall st as an example.

    Spike, u're right about some of the newer architecture. Just look at the new hospital their building in garston, old one looks much better but I can imagine the facilities weren't the greatest.

    Buildingwise, as it is that area of the wirral is a bit of an eyesore anyway and would hopefully benefit from this, although I still don't think it will ever happen... Oh and who cares if them from over the water can see the liver building
    Hey! nowhere in Wirral is an eyesore. This is the true centre of Merseyside...

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    I love lotsa new buildings. They have done some real mingers though.

    One of the worst of them is the Royal.

    That is the pits.

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    Are you in a time warp Pabs, the Royal is over 40 years old, nearly as old as moi.

    That last building posted looks a wee bit narrow, like an aeroplane wing. That glass building on the corner of Dale st and Castle st was once classed as innovative but i've always thought it looked bland. We'll never get the real ornamental architecture that Oriel Chambers or 16 Cook St - both by Peter Ellis as money is the big issue these days as to whether anything gets built and the less ornamentation the better - well no - the cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    None is proposed for Wirral Waters, which tells me Peel are not serious. Wirral Waters is easily accessed by the disused Birkenhead Dock Branch, directly. I'm sure Peel will get water spaces filled in and sell off the land. Land by stealth.
    Transport would be a big part of the outline planning permission. Surely, the development would stay on the table without this? I mean, I can't see the planners being in a position to grant approval without this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Are you in a time warp Pabs, the Royal is over 40 years old, nearly as old as moi.

    That last building posted looks a wee bit narrow, like an aeroplane wing. That glass building on the corner of Dale st and Castle st was once classed as innovative but i've always thought it looked bland. We'll never get the real ornamental architecture that Oriel Chambers or 16 Cook St - both by Peter Ellis as money is the big issue these days as to whether anything gets built and the less ornamentation the better - well no - the cheaper.
    I know I watched it go up. But I think any building put up sine the fifties is new.

    I've seen some fantastic new builds around the World. Dubai springs to mind. First time I was there, it was no more than a village.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Hey! nowhere in Wirral is an eyesore. This is the true centre of Merseyside...
    I like people who like to have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    I like people who like to have fun.
    Sounds like you're having a go at Wirral there WW.

    Good job I know you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Sounds like you're having a go at Wirral there WW.

    Good job I know you...
    There is nothing much in the Wirral to have a go at. Seen Birkenhead?
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    There's Thor's stone at Thurstaston common - that's old. Bidston windmill and err Pablo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    There is nothing much in the Wirral to have a go at. Seen Birkenhead?
    I know. They're still knocking the old houses down. Don't seem to be putting much in it's place though. There's not much at all in Birkenhead of any note, cept Hamilton Square and the Priory. It's gotta be one of the worst towns in the country these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    I know. They're still knocking the old houses down. Don't seem to be putting much in it's place though. There's not much at all in Birkenhead of any note, cept Hamilton Square and the Priory. It's gotta be one of the worst towns in the country these days.
    The sooner the Wirral is incorporated into the city of Liverpool the better. Planning can be cop-ordinated and all are pointing one way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    There's Thor's stone at Thurstaston common - that's old. Bidston windmill and err Pablo?
    I'm becoming a national treasure round here.

    Tourists hate me though. They come to see New Brightons beautiful Marina...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    The sooner the Wirral is incorporated into the city of Liverpool the better. Planning can be cop-ordinated and all are pointing one way.
    Can't see that happening WW. Lotta feeling over here about moving from Cheshire to Merseyside. That ws over thirty years ago.

    I think joining with Liverpool is a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Can't see that happening WW. Lotta feeling over here about moving from Cheshire to Merseyside. That ws over thirty years ago.

    I think joining with Liverpool is a great idea.
    They have to for the benefit of all. Without Liverpool the Wirral would be like the other bank of the River Dee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    I love lotsa new buildings. They have done some real mingers though.

    One of the worst of them is the Royal.

    That is the pits.
    St John's Precinct and Clayton Sq shopping mall are both awful.

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