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    Default !843 Strangers Guide to Liverpool.

    These were the South Docks in 1843.
    I gave the previous dates in good faith.
    They're from the Annals and are correct, and presumably refer to when the Harrington and Herculaneum Docks were taken over by the Corporation.
    Prior to which they were private and rather small.



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    Default Herculaneum Pottery - Site Location

    Notice the smaller Harrington & Herculaneum Docks on the 1845 map.

    When they decided to build Toxteth Dock - it appears that Harrington & Herculaneum Docks where moved further south to accommodate it and were substantially increased in size.


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    I've just read one book about the Herculaneum Pottery and have started on a second.
    I didn't know much about it previously.
    Or the docks.

    The pottery had its own dock which existed from the time the premises were a copper smelting works (from 1771), and the dock survived for years after the pottery closed.

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    hello my name is elaine clayton i dont know if this is the right place to post so forgive me for beinh thick.
    i am interested in this pottery as my gr gr grans father went to work there from the potteries.just found that out yesterday.
    does anyone have nay info on these familes who came from the potteries? his name was moses bourne and he had two children born in liverpool.best wishes
    elaine clayton

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    Liverpool's forgotten Glory [with apologies to to Peter Hyland].


    Herculaneum Pottery was built on the south shore, Toxteth in 1796. It survived for only 44 years. One of the reasons cited for it's early demise was the rapid development of the Staffordshire Potteries. Even today, 'Herculaneum pottery' is much sought-after by collectors, as examples of early earthenware, creamware and china from Liverpool's industrial past.


    Image 1 ^ Herculaneum Pottery by George Codling, engraving as displayed on share certificates. c.1806. NML image.





    Image 2 ^ Pottery location. The Potteries closed 5 years after the John Bennison map was drawn, in 1840.

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    Hi Elaine,

    I had a look in Peter Hyland's book The Herculaneum Pottery which gives the workers names for around the year c.1820 from an original factory document now lost. Unfortunately "Moses Bourne" is not listed among them. The Potteries life spans from 1796-1840 and this represents just one year in it's life.

    The potteries also had it's own on-site Methodist chapel and Sunday school. I'd check with Liverpool Record Office [LRO] to see whether they still have the Birth, Marriage & Deaths records as Moses Bourne may be recorded there?

    Cheers,

    Daz

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    Herculaneum Pottery Warehouse, 3 Duke Street, Liverpool.

    "In March 1807 a 21 year old lease was taken" out on the building, which was owned by John Gregson [of Gregson's Well fame] for "150 guineas per annum". The warehouse was the shopfront of the southshore potteries, that existed in Toxteth from 1796-1840.

    The below insitu illustration has not been seen before. It is an attempt to fix the location of the warehouse, as it would appear today. The warehouse site, after the potteries, was turned in to an army barracks, which is noted on the 1848 Ordnance Survey map below.

    Credits: all text from Peter Hyland's informative book, The Herculaneum Pottery, illustrations from LRO, photographs are from Google Streetview.

    Also thanks to Quentin Sharples, for helping with the data. We will post further updates on the pottery site itself, next week.




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    Default Liverpool Herculaneum Pottery

    The Illustrated Guide to Liverpool Herculaneum Pottery, the title of Alan Smith's book, now out of print, offers us an early glimpse of the pottery site, both before the potteries were established, in image 1, and after the site was purchased and developed, in image 2.

    Both images 1 & 2 have been scanned from the above publication, and the text abstracted below.



    Image 1 [below] is a reconstruction of the site, when it was owned by the Copper Works of Charles Roe & Co. Around 1790.
    ^ Image 1.

    Index

    A. Buildings for the smelting of ores.
    B. Warehouse and Counting house.
    C. Yard for storing the ore.
    D. The Dock.
    E. Refining Furnaces.
    F. The Yard.
    G. Part of the Shore filled level with ciders.
    H. Pool, artificially enlarged.
    M. Copper Workers' Dwellings.
    P. Pool.
    ---



    Image 2 [below] is a Plan of the Herculaneum Pottery, around 1800.



    ^ Image 2.

    Index.

    A. Wellington Road.
    B. Kilns.
    C. The Mill.
    D. The Dock.
    E. Factory Gates and Front Office.
    F. The Chapel.
    G. Raised and Extended Shoreline.
    H. Reservoirs.
    I. Great Sea Hey.
    M. Potter's Dwellings.
    N. Factory Yard.
    O. Printing and Enamelling Shops.
    P. Throwing, Moulding and Glazing Rooms.
    Q. Packing Pattern-Room and Back Office.
    R. Crate Shop, Blacksmith's Shop and Stables.
    S. Tidal Reservoir for Scouring the Dock.

    The 'shaded area' is the extent of original damage to the map.
    ---



    Image 3 [below] is an attempt to fix the original Herculaneum Pottery site over today's developed land.

    The above image was the starting pointing. This was then laid over two OS maps from 1848 & 1906 to fix any remainding boundaries from the original site. ie: The original Dock, and extent of the pottery site was still shown. Finally, I've added the Google Earth view over the top for some context.


    ^ Image 3.



    Image 4 [below] is an enlargement of the above.


    ^ Image 4.




    ^ Image 5. Early Herdman view, sketched from where the round-about is shown on the google earth view.




    ^ Image 6. Another early sketch, dating from about 1825 of the same area.


    With thanks to Quentin Sharples, who's help I was grateful for, in putting this compilation together.

    Daz.

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    Nice one Daz, well done.

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    My Aunty lives just to the side of the two white "tanks" on the picture in the new flats overlooking the docks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by squiggs View Post
    My Aunty lives just to the side of the two white "tanks" on the picture in the new flats overlooking the docks !
    Well squiggs, about 180 years ago, this would have been the view. Although you aunty would be living over the brow of the ridge shown, and her house would be on the lower land, but would of have a great view of the potteries.


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    Interesting stuff Dazza,and Quentin! The pottery wasn't actually there,for long,was it!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Well squiggs, about 180 years ago, this would have been the view. Although you aunty would be living over the brow of the ridge shown, and her house would be on the lower land, but would of have a great view of the potteries.

    Nicce one mate.

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    Thanks wsteve55.

    Herculaneum Pottery was established in 1796 and closed in 1840. A mere 44 years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Thanks wsteve55.

    Herculaneum Pottery was established in 1796 and closed in 1840. A mere 44 years later.
    Was that due to lack of demand?

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