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    Default Herculaneum Pottery, Toxteth

    Liverpool's forgotten Glory [with apologies to to Peter Hyland].

    Herculaneum Pottery was built on the south shore, Toxteth in 1796. It survived for only 44 years. One of the reasons cited for it's early demise was the rapid development of the Staffordshire Potteries. Even today, 'Herculaneum pottery' is much sought-after by collectors, as examples of early earthenware, creamware and china from Liverpool's industrial past.


    Image 1 ^ Herculaneum Pottery by George Codling, engraving as displayed on share certificates. c.1806. NML image.







    Image 2 ^ Pottery location. The Potteries closed 5 years after the John Bennison map was drawn, in 1840.

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    Nice one Dazza.

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    Fine work here, Dazza. Thanks. I often give talks on the War of 1812 and at one I gave in Alexandria, which surrendered to the British in 1814, a collector had a specimen of Liverpool pottery which was a small milk or cream jug with the American slogan "Free Trade and Sailors' Rights" and a picture of a battle at sea with the American ship flying the stars and stripes. It is probably not well known that the British made a lot of pottery with patriotic themes for the American market. Similarly I saw a lamp stand in the Maryland Historical Society made in Britain that was in the shape of Baltimore's Battle Monument, built to honor the American dead from the Battle of Baltimore during which the "Star-Spangled Banner" was written by Francis Scott Key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Fine work here, Dazza.
    Thanks Chris, I've been interested in the site, ever since reading The Herculaneum Pottery, a 'Liverpool University Press' book by Peter Hyland.

    On the British/ American War of 1812, and of British patriotism [or 'loyalty' as I should say, here in the UK]. The British pottery industry seemed to be serving two masters! One for the home market, and one for export market, notably America. I did once see a picture of a Chamber Pot with George III's face looking up from it, complete with an English maker's stamp - no doubt made for a very appreciative American market? The potters had an eye, for a brown nose, it seemed [excuse the pun]?

    Image 1 - some examples of c/pots: there's the 'Benjamin Franklin Butler' pot of civil war fame [not Herculaneum]; and even...

    Image 2 - a 'W.E. Gladstone' pot [not Herculaneum].

    Image 3 - a creamware Jug [Herculaneum] showing the 'Apotheosis of Washington' c.1805.

    Image 4 - a Sailors jug [Herculaneum] which contained the sailor's prayer:

    From Rocks & Sands
    And every ill
    May God preserve,
    The Sailor still

    Apparently there is still a lot of this Herculaneum pottery in circulation [in the US & UK], and you can regularly find it on eBay. In production from 1796-1840.

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    Hi dazza

    I am sure the pottery-makers were entrepreneurs, prepared to sell their wares wherever they could, and if they could equally curry favor with the British with patriotically decorated wares as similarly products that would please the American market, well, why not?

    I was amused by the Gladstone chamber pot. A renowned son of Liverpool, although possibly a political enemy of his or two enjoyed using that particular "po". By the way... I read that the possibly the only off-color reference that Edgar Allan Poe made in his writings was in doing a pun on his name!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    I am sure the pottery-makers were entrepreneurs, prepared to sell their wares wherever they could, and if they could equally curry favor with the British with patriotically decorated wares as similarly products that would please the American market, well, why not?
    Hi Chris,

    'Entrepreneurs' oh totally. I'd love to get my paws on some pro-American, British earthenware?

    The Gladstone pot, probably from [stick my neck out] the rival Wedgewood, Staffordshire kilns?

    Edgar Allan Poe, cheerful soul! I can't imagine having a beer with him in the Fly in the Loaf? Poe-faced before he even started drinking!

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    I'm trying to ID this painting? Ship building on the Mersey?

    Herculaneum Pottery can be seen on the lower ground, to the extreme right, with chimneys shown. And also, what appears to be a tall mill/ chimney on the higher ground, to the left - possibly Scott's mill???


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    3 Duke Street, Liverpool - 'Heculaneum Pottery Warehouse' from a lease taken out in 1807.


    Image: a business card, as shown in The Herculaneum Pottery, Peter Hyland's book - source not credited.

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    I've just read one book about the Herculaneum Pottery and have started on a second.
    I didn't know much about it previously.
    Or the docks.

    The pottery had its own dock which existed from the time the premises were a copper smelting works (from 1771), and the dock survived for years after the pottery closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    I'm trying to ID this painting? Ship building on the Mersey?

    Herculaneum Pottery can be seen on the lower ground, to the extreme right, with chimneys shown. And also, what appears to be a tall mill/ chimney on the higher ground, to the left - possibly Scott's mill???

    The shipyard looks like in front of Brunswick Dock, where boats are repaired to this day. The ships mast to the right look like Toxteth Dock with Harrington Dock would be where the Pottery is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    The shipyard looks like in front of Brunswick Dock, where boats are repaired to this day. The ships mast to the right look like Toxteth Dock with Harrington Dock would be where the Pottery is.
    I've managed to do a bit of research on the painting since posting. It was originally featured in the "Lancashire Illustrated", by S. Austin & William Henry Pyne. The painting is called "Liverpool from the Mersey No.IV" There's a Google Books version of the Lancashire Illustrated, here. And there's a description of the scene featured on the painting on page 36.

    Brief extract here:

    'The ship-building yards which are exhibited in this plate, are situated between the river and the Salthouse Dock...'

    'The large warehouse, which occupies the centre of the plate, belongs to the estate of the late Duke of Bridgewater, who caused this building to be errected...'

    "The view is terminated by the Herculaneum Pottery, which competes with the great manufacturies of Staffordshire..."



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    Source: Lancashire Illustrated, Series of Views: from original drawings By S. Austin & William Henry Pyne

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    I thought the pottery was either side of the sail. The description is right. The painting is before Albert Dock of course. Where Albert is was a large tobacco warehouse and on the river front shipyards. These were removed for Albert Dock. Lairds was here and eventually had to move across to Birkenhead as docks took the river and displaced the shipbuilding. Jones, Quiggin & Co were roughly were Coburg/Queens Docks are now. They built ships for the Confederates. The masts are mainly at Brunswick Dock, 1832, which originally dealt in timber, then a cargo-liner docks, with the Coburg pub being a place of stay for passengers.

    The warehouse is here at Dukes Dock - demolished 1964.
    Dukes Warehouse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    I thought the pottery was either side of the sail. The description is right. The painting is before Albert Dock of course. Where Albert is was a large tobacco warehouse and on the river front shipyards.
    The potteries are directly above the buoy in the image. There's a whisper of smoke coming out of them. There also appears to be some land in the distant right, which I think could be step-back to the Dingle foreshore?

    The ship-building yards shown in the engraving were once part of Trentham Street which adjoined them, and was subsequently excavated during the construction of the Albert Dock. The old river wall [& slips] would be roughly in line with where Fred's floating weather map used to be? I reckon that frigate would hit it, if launched today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    I put this together:
    Confederate Fleet
    Looks fascinating WW. I'm going to have a good look through tomorrow.

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    circa 1833
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    how it once was?


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