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    just thought I would say hello on this interesting thread still naving around


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    Ooh, he's got a new little animated GIF thing on his site;



    Seems his Wikipedia entry has been deleted. Does anyone know why? I can guess though!

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    Just clicked through and his wikipedia entry still seems to be there - I clicked through on the link given on he previous page of this link. Does this mean he is saying it is wrong?

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    The Wiki article feeds his ego ok enough so dunno why he has that on his site.

    He's put his local mysteries column online now and starts off with the Speke Werewolf .

    http://www.slemen.com/newlocalmysteries.html
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    Strange that he doesn't like wikipedia all of a sudden because his detective cohort from olive mount and he used to say they'd solved the ripper case and julia wallace case on there and to watch out for a new book coming out. Was 7 years ago mind.
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    No, his Haunted Liverpool article is still there his actual biographical article is gone.

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    http://www.slemen.com/wherestom.html

    Love the ego feeding In this.

    Except for Radio Merseyside, Radio Is funded by advertisements and sponsors and there was the Issue he had with Mick Ord of Radio Merseyside.

    http://www.slemen.com/slemmy.html

    Original eh.
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    Hes not nice, very devious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    http://www.slemen.com/wherestom.html

    Love the ego feeding In this.

    Except for Radio Merseyside, Radio Is funded by advertisements and sponsors and there was the Issue he had with Mick Ord of Radio Merseyside.

    http://www.slemen.com/slemmy.html

    Original eh.
    Interesting link. Interesting to read that Tom doesn't have any influences - ironic that, because I seem to recall some years ago he was heavily influenced by Richard Whittington-Egan...
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    Blimey, just read the links below, can't accuse the guy of suffering from false modesty!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    http://www.slemen.com/wherestom.html

    Love the ego feeding In this.

    Except for Radio Merseyside, Radio Is funded by advertisements and sponsors and there was the Issue he had with Mick Ord of Radio Merseyside.

    http://www.slemen.com/slemmy.html

    Original eh.

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    Only false ghost stories
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    First, from an old post that I wrote here in the Scouser Hall of Fame, and then some other information to add to the pot:

    Hi MissInformed

    If Tom [Slemen] does join the forum I would like him to explain why his story The Valentine Ghost said to have occurred on the iron bridge in Sefton Park, featuring the lovers named William Robert D'Onston and Alice Harwood, appears to be a direct borrowing of the story of the Ripper suspect Robert D. Stephenson otherwise known as Roslyn D'Onston who related a very similar story that took place not in Sefton Park but in Hull.

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    Recently, at JtRForums, Hull researcher Mike Covell has been discussing the different versions of this story, often known as "The Lovers of Porthangwartha." It seems that the story goes back centuries and that if indeed Roslyn D'Onston contributed the story to W. T. Stead's Review of Reviews 1892, New Year's Extra Number, or else Stead contributed it himself, crediting it to the mysterious D'Onston, either man was just borrowing it from other sources, just as Mr. Slemen apparently did as well.

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    The trouble is, i've been at a couple of events that TS has also attended. People do come up to him with stories and whether these are quantified before publication, I don't know. How do you quantify something that nobody has any visual evidence of, only their word or even something they've heard second or third hand?
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    I have always said that I don't mind Slemen publishing stories that people tell him - researched or not, what I do take umbrage with is when he falsifies Liverpool's history and makes stuff up.

    I have recently been doing a lot of research on 'William MacKenzie' and was myself checking Slemen's original published work in 'Haunted Liverpool 4'. He cannot even get the name of the guy right, he calls him 'James McKenzie'. It's things like this that I find unforgivable in his work.

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    The casebook guys asked him about the D'Onston story and he avoided the question by saying It's not relevant and that he's too busy to explain.


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    Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 5:25 pm:

    First of all Mr Wescott (whoever you are, never heard of you) I didn't. Secondly, I do not have time to enter into further discussion with you, too busy. Can't see how a folklore tale written many years ago is relevant to this valuable forum when so much badly-researched laughable rubbish makes it into books on Jack the Ripper. You seem quite flustered, and it amuses me. No doubt you'll be grinding your teeth when the book comes out. Do you really have a clue as to who the Ripper was? I imagine you've been trying to find out for a very long time. Perhaps in another hundred years you'd be wiser?
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    Too busy dodging the flak or counting his cash
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    Why did you delete that Chris


    He says he doesn't include far fetched ones. Now come on......

    http://www.slemen.com/capsule.html



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    Says it all Max

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    That Rodney Street Spectre one really gets my goat!

    At least he gets William Mackenzie's name right... it has only taken him 12 years!

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    I take it you all like him then
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    I've personally nothing against him and have bought some of his books, the problem I do have is that these books are considered (but never actually said in black and white) to be real stories when if people know that area in particular, the stories make no sense at all. There are three stories of which I have read which have made no sense due to their locations/dates or involvement of the stories and therefore don't buy any more of his books.

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    There was a letter in the echo, suggesting some one make a television show based on his books! There was one in the sixties, Jackanory!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by verdi View Post
    There was a letter in the echo, suggesting some one make a television show based on his books! There was one in the sixties, Jackanory!!!!
    Was It an elderly person? They always write letters to papers saying he deserves some kind of award.
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    Another Slemon error.

    There is a story about two people breaking in to a house in Low Hill and eating a load of food before finding out from a pub that the house in question was a place where some old chap used to use animals in his food.

    Was this an original Slemen story? Was it arse - Recollections of Old Liverpool - Stonehouse came up with this years before Slemen's time!!!

    "There once lived a curious person at Low-hill who had peculiar tastes. He built a place which was called ?Rat?s Castle.? It stood on the brink p. 155of a delf, the site of which is now occupied by the Prescot-street Bridewell. This person used to try experiments with food, such as cooking spiders, blackbeetles, rats, cats, mice, and other things not in common use; and, it is said, was wont to play off tricks upon unsuspecting strangers by placing banquets before them that were quite unexpected and unprecedented in the nature and condition of the food."

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    He he... reminds me of the Rev. William Buckland who was an eminent geologist, biologist and one of those typical 19th century gentlemen with too much time on their hands. He is said to have eaten his way through the animal kingdom including hedgehogs, leopards, crocodile, bluebottle and the mole - which he thought disgusting. A short biography here.

    Recollections of Old Liverpool p. 155 is what Cadfael is on about.

    Unfortunately Stonehouse shares one bad habit with Slemen himself - he isn't too fond of referencing his work or telling us where it came from.

    If you look at the original MS of "Recollections of Old Liverpool" (in the LRO) its clear that Stonehouse often altered and changed his stories to suit different publications. So I am reluctant to take him as 100% truthful.

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    I would love to know the origins of this piece of fiction:

    Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > The monster lurking in the rubbish chute.


    I lived in those flats as did many of my older relatives going back to the 1940s after being bombed out of surrounding streets and none can recall there ever being such a thing or even rumour of such a thing. It's always a christian name or 'a women' or 'some men' - something which cannot be verified.
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    I've read some of TS's books - and most of the stories are IMO not very good. Some of the well known stories are obviously not based on fact and seem to me to be based on TS's opinion on what probably happened.

    Well that's my view anyway.

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    Whilst reading about Debz D'Annunzio's new Little Italy book in the Flashback section of the Echo on saturday, I couldn't help notice that alongside it was Tom's weekly column.

    It was somewhat strange though that he said he had to change a few surnames and details in the story that followed whilst assuring us that it was true. Anyone know why out of interest. The story also featured an unbelievable piece regarding a detective that guessed a crime before it happened. In the smog that engulfed Liverpool in winter 1952, the detective clearly made out the silhouette of an offender only to find out he was actually dead. Clearly a case then of mistaken identity
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