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    Bob Marley's dad was an Army Captain from Liverpool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Yep. Dionne Warwick had success in the United States, but wasn't released here. Most people had never heard of the Dionne Warwick's.
    Dionne Warwick is a world wide mega star, known and appreciated throughout the world and her recordings were released in Britain. Cilla is almost totally unknown outside of the UK. Dionne has appeared on UK tv in variety and talk shows, I have never heard of Cilla doing the same on any North American tv (but I could have missed her).

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    Quote Originally Posted by christy View Post
    Bob Marley's dad was an Army Captain from Liverpool.

    Interesting to hear! Thanks, Christy. According to Wikipedia, "His father, Norval Sinclair Marley, was a white Jamaican born in 1895 to British parents from Sussex. Norval was a Marine officer and captain." A separate entry on Norval Sinclair Marley confirms the Sussex connection but denies any Welsh one. A BBC page on the possible Welsh link, quotes Chris Marley as saying that Norval Marley, born in Jamaica to a family from Sussex "travelled from Jamaica to England where he joined the British Army on 14 August 1916 at Liverpool." So possibly that is where the Liverpool connection comes in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Dionne Warwick is a world wide mega star, known and appreciated throughout the world and her recordings were released in Britain. Cilla is almost totally unknown outside of the UK. Dionne has appeared on UK tv in variety and talk shows, I have never heard of Cilla doing the same on any North American tv (but I could have missed her).
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    I think it is true to say that Cilla enjoyed some mild success in the United States as well as elsewhere in the world as part of Brian Epstein's stable of stars in the early to mid Sixties, although in recent decades she has been mostly a British star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi Sloyne

    I think it is true to say that Cilla enjoyed some mild success in the United States as well as elsewhere in the world as part of Brian Epstein's stable of stars in the early to mid Sixties, although in recent decades she has been mostly a British star.

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    Hi Waterways

    Cilla made US TV appearances, including the Ed Sullivan Show, performed a 1965 cabaret season at the Plaza Hotel in New York, and had a minor U.S. hit with "You're My World".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    I think it is true to say that Cilla enjoyed some mild success in the United States as well as elsewhere in the world
    The word I would use is "tepid", and that was only in the sixties. The "elsewhere" would be Australia, New Zealand and South Africa due, obviously, to the large UK ex-pat immigrant groups. Canada, dominated as it is by the US media with it's attendant culture, had very little exposure to UK secondary performers. I have lived in North America for forty years and prior to emigrating had been visiting, every seventeen days, since 1956 and I am a Scouserphobe and can attest to the previously mentioned fact.

    By-the-way, I am a fan of Cilla and knew her personally while growing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi Waterways

    Cilla made US TV appearances, including the Ed Sullivan Show, performed a 1965 cabaret season at the Plaza Hotel in New York, and had a minor U.S. hit with "You're My World".

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    Despite what Sloyne says, Cilla was not secondary in the 60s. She had her own prime time TV show, "Cilla", and all the visting US mega stars were on doing duets with Cilla. When she was massive in the Commonwealth she had no need to go to the US - and they did ask her over. She had been invited to top chat shows but turned them down. Cilla could have been very big over there if she had done the obligatory tours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    When she was massive in the Commonwealth she had no need to go to the US - and they did ask her over. She had been invited to top chat shows but turned them down.
    Name some?

    Another thing, for any performer, the US is 'THE' market. There is not one performer, of any nationality, that does not aspire to "making it big" in the US entertainment industry because, as they say, "that's where it's at". Any performer who tells you different is probably lying. The oposite is quite true, a number of US performers had no interest or refused to perform in the UK. Sinatra and Presley were just two notables in this group.

    According to her fan club web site, the only recording of Cilla's that made the charts in the US was "Your my world".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Name some?

    Another thing, for any performer, the US is 'THE' market. There is not one performer, of any nationality, that does not aspire to "making it big" in the US entertainment industry because, as they say, "that's where it's at". Any performer who tells you different is probably lying. The oposite is quite true, a number of US performers had no interest or refused to perform in the UK. Sinatra and Presley were just two notables in this group.
    Sinatra played London regularly. Elvis was scared after the Beatles wiped him out and never went to the UK. Elvis hated leaving the south never mind leaving the US.

    According to her fan club web site, the only recording of Cilla's that made the charts in the US was "Your my world".
    Yep. Cilla wasn't that interested in making the US when all was fine where she was. She was never short of a few shillings.

    The US is not where it is at in a global market. The UK controls the world music scene - the artists and the business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Sinatra played London regularly.
    Sorry, I should have clarified, "other than the London Paladium".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Sorry, I should have clarified, "other than the London Paladium".
    And the Albert Hall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    And the Albert Hall.
    That's because he was Francis Albert Hall Sinatra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    And the Albert Hall.
    But you still haven't answered my first question, which is; What US talk shows did Cilla turn down? Waterways, Cilla is virtualy unknown in North America, Dionne Warwick is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    But you still haven't answered my first question, which is; What US talk shows did Cilla turn down? Waterways, Cilla is virtualy unknown in North America, Dionne Warwick is not.
    I don't know. I was reading it once. It wasn't recently. 80s, 90s.
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