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    I was very pleased to come across this street today when in Toxteth to photograph the heights on Mill Street...


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    This is a lovely terrace, and very well kept... This must have been a great place to live in years gone by.

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    After seeing the video, I'd often wondered where this street was and today I fell across it accidentally.
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    Yes and Corn st to its rear is a mirror image.
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    I think they are the only houses left in the city with those raised pavement/landings. There was lots of them at one time. Some had house below the landings making them a sort of flats. I never figured out why they built them like that, raised up. It just doesn't seem logical to do so as it would have been cheaper putting them at ground level. Maybe something to do with rear entry access.

    The church is St. Gabriels. The wrecked school was Beaufort St Board school. I think is it totally demolished now. It was listed but they allowed vandals to wreck the place.

    The film These Dangerous Years, with Frankie Vaughan in, was filmed around there in the 1950s. Those two streets are forever having film crews filming around them.
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    There were some like that on Walton lane.

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    My late wife was instrumental in setting up the Housing Co-op in the Corn and Yates Streets when they were purchased from Stansfield for a nominal sum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danensis View Post
    My late wife was instrumental in setting up the Housing Co-op in the Corn and Yates Streets when they were purchased from Stansfield for a nominal sum.

    John
    You must be very proud of her achievement, which was to the benefit of the local community and of our collective heritage.

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    Her part in it was talking to the tenants, and recording and acting on their concerns.

    When the housing corporation bought the houses, I had to travel down to London on the train, with a cheque for several million pounds in my pocket, to get the final signature on it. The person who was to sign the cheque was at a posh reception, so they invited me in while he sorted it out. Caviar and smoked salmon - its another world! While I was explaining to some of the other guests why we were wanting to improve the houses, a woman said "Oh, they don't have outside toilets any more - that's just in novels". The ignorance of the chattering classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danensis View Post
    Her part in it was talking to the tenants, and recording and acting on their concerns.

    When the housing corporation bought the houses, I had to travel down to London on the train, with a cheque for several million pounds in my pocket, to get the final signature on it. The person who was to sign the cheque was at a posh reception, so they invited me in while he sorted it out. Caviar and smoked salmon - its another world! While I was explaining to some of the other guests why we were wanting to improve the houses, a woman said "Oh, they don't have outside toilets any more - that's just in novels". The ignorance of the chattering classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross08 View Post
    I was very pleased to come across this street today when in Toxteth to photograph the heights on Mill Street...



    This is a lovely terrace, and very well kept... This must have been a great place to live in years gone by.

    See video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCb1OJGe9aA

    After seeing the video, I'd often wondered where this street was and today I fell across it accidentally.
    That was a cool video..Made you want to jump up and get in the fun.. Nice terraces.. Maybe it flooded during the time they were built? Thats why they built them high..Maybe?

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    Is there a way to find out why these houses were built on a riased platform? My mum said that the tunnel wasn't built at the time but that doesn't make sense.

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    Amazing terrace, they could also sit happily in a Cornish fishing village somewhere?

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    I love this street and want to see it up close as it's probably quite a rare structure now!

    I'm so sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by danensis View Post
    My late wife was instrumental in setting up the Housing Co-op in the Corn and Yates Streets when they were purchased from Stansfield for a nominal sum.

    John
    Yes my aunty Doris Patterson lived in Corn Street, but has just gone into ill health , and is in a nursing home Princes House, Mersey Parks , Mill Street. your wife may know her. and Corn Street had the same terrace as Yates Street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCake View Post
    Is there a way to find out why these houses were built on a raised platform? My mum said that the tunnel wasn't built at the time but that doesn't make sense.
    They may have been raised to allow light into them as maybe a large industrial building was opposite, or planned to be opposite. Corn St had a large flour mill opposite the houses - hence the name. I saw it burn down as a kid, firemen and hoses everywhere. In the Victorian times they mixed industrial and residential buildings. I'm sure only residential house were opposite Yates St.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    They may have been raised to allow light into them as maybe a large industrial building was opposite, or planned to be opposite. Corn St had a large flour mill opposite the houses - hence the name. I saw it burn down as a kid, firemen and hoses everywhere. In the Victorian times they mixed industrial and residential buildings. I'm sure only residential house were opposite Yates St.
    At first I thought it had something to do with the Mersey but the further the houses are from the sea , the higher the platform so I guess we'll never for sure.
    I don't know how old you are but I can't imagine a mill being there! I guess it could account for the name Mill street
    Maybe it was a street full of mills at one time.

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    When I first looked at it I thought it was obvious why it was built on a terrace. The ground between Mill Street Yates Street, Corn Street and what was once Beaufort Street is very uneven ground.

    Yates Street is on a hill and the idea of the terrace was so that all the houses could be at roughly the same level.

    Look at this Googlemap Image and count the number of steps at one end of Yates Street:

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...102.09,,0,2.79

    I count about 15 steps.

    And the other end:

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...63.36,,0,11.97

    I count about 8 steps.

    You can also see that Corn Street (the street next to Yates Street) has a terrace in it.

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...65.63,,0,11.29

    But because the ground naturally rised higher than in Yates Street, the terrace ends half-way along the road.

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...18.83,,0,13.92

    If they hadn't built the houses here on a terrace the ground floor rear-windows of Corn Street would've looked directly into the upstairs rear-windows of Yates Street.

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    Nice work again fortinian.

    Great to see the images on Streetview. I noticed the 'bulge', or rise in the middle of Corn Street, and thought I'd check out the Jonathan Bennison map of 1835 on the Leverpoole* website. The map is posted here.

    The map shows the Park Street, Mill Street area at the time. The Mill is already established, and is shown as built at the top of a rocky outcrop of land. You were right to mention the 'terrace' or landing half way up Corn Street. This was the ridge of the natural ground, as the ridge tranverses across the street. You can also see the future extension of Beaufort Street [shown on the Google Street view as grassed over].

    'Beaufort Street' was 'Bedford Street' in 1835. And the retaining wall shown on the Google Street view, it just rising to meet the level of the higher natural land.

    Daz

    *[can't post the map here, due to copywrite, so posted the link instead.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    When I first looked at it I thought it was obvious why it was built on a terrace. The ground between Mill Street Yates Street, Corn Street and what was once Beaufort Street is very uneven ground.

    Yates Street is on a hill and the idea of the terrace was so that all the houses could be at roughly the same level.

    Look at this Googlemap Image and count the number of steps at one end of Yates Street:

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...102.09,,0,2.79

    I count about 15 steps.

    And the other end:

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...63.36,,0,11.97

    I count about 8 steps.

    You can also see that Corn Street (the street next to Yates Street) has a terrace in it.

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...65.63,,0,11.29

    But because the ground naturally rised higher than in Yates Street, the terrace ends half-way along the road.

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...18.83,,0,13.92

    If they hadn't built the houses here on a terrace the ground floor rear-windows of Corn Street would've looked directly into the upstairs rear-windows of Yates Street.
    VERY interesting info....
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    The mill was the main employer around that area for years . It was called Wilsons Mill, my uncle was one of the head millers there, and all of those houses were at one time owned by the mill. A lot of my family where employed by the mill. I have always seen the terraces and never questioned as to why they were built, must have been the lay of the land. I dont suppose that any one remebers the houses further along Mill street just by Joe hughes mission , also the old windmill that used to be there, because I do , my aunty used to live in another terrace houses on Mill street , cant think of their name but they were there believe you me. Just wish I had taken photos of the same.

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    Aye Wilson King was the big mill, only demolished in the 80s/90s but Mill St itself takes it's name from the mill that had the windmill attached to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    When I first looked at it I thought it was obvious why it was built on a terrace. The ground between Mill Street Yates Street, Corn Street and what was once Beaufort Street is very uneven ground.



    If they hadn't built the houses here on a terrace the ground floor rear-windows of Corn Street would've looked directly into the upstairs rear-windows of Yates Street.
    Interesting theory..
    Wish there was a way to confirm the answer but I guess it's too late unless papers are found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCake View Post
    Interesting theory..
    Wish there was a way to confirm the answer but I guess it's too late unless papers are found.
    Why build on a terrace? The answer's on Post #17 above. Click on the link, it'll redirect you to a 1835 map showing the mill just before the streets were laid out, and will explain the reason for the terrace.

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    Default Yates Street Terrace.

    Yates Street was built on a terrace due to the natural topography of the land about where the mill was established. 'Mill Street' and 'Corn Street' are already laid out. The continuation of Beaufort St. is shown dotted on this illustration. Beaufort St. in 1835 was know as 'Bedford Street'.

    Image Source: Jonathan Bennison's 1835 map of Liverpool LRO 352 ENG/2/11567/68
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Why build on a terrace? The answer's on Post #17 above. Click on the link, it'll redirect you to a 1835 map showing the mill just before the streets were laid out, and will explain the reason for the terrace.
    Is there written confirmation anywhere ? I need to see it in words for a specific reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCake View Post
    Is there written confirmation anywhere ? I need to see it in words for a specific reason
    I think the map offers a better illustration than words? Surely it's now obvious why they had to build a retaining wall along Beaufort Street, and a raised terrace along Yates Street? There was a natural plateau existing there to begin with - the banks of the plateau dropped down on these sides. The site would have been ideally suited for a mill, raised ground, exposed and windy - perfect for a siting a windmill, IMO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    I think the map offers a better illustration than words? It's surely now obvious why they had to build a retaining wall along Beaufort St. and a raised terrace along Yates Street? There was a natural plateau existing there to begin with. An excellent exposed and windy site, perfect for a windmill I'd say?
    So , it is your original theory? I'd like written confirmation as I don't think I can get away with saying "dazza from yoliverpoool" said it is! Although maybe I should just say that and leave it

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCake View Post
    So , it is your original theory? I'd like written confirmation as I don't think I can get away with saying "dazza from yoliverpoool" said it is! Although maybe I should just say that and leave it
    Why don't you do a right-click on the image I did in the previous post [#23], save it, and send it to whoever...This is my educated guess as to what they did. It's a practical solution to a site of that nature. It has nothing to do with better views, cleaner air, or mooring boats against the terrace LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCake View Post
    At first I thought it had something to do with the Mersey but the further the houses are from the sea , the higher the platform so I guess we'll never for sure.
    I don't know how old you are but I can't imagine a mill being there! I guess it could account for the name Mill street
    Maybe it was a street full of mills at one time.
    A mill is still there.
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    That is a lot earth that has to be got and carted to the site, to level the ground because of a rocky outcrop. They may have used earth in the expansion of the mill next to the streets. Usually they just built the houses up a hill, stepping them as they went up. The road would follow the contour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Why don't you do a right-click on the image I did in the previous post [#23], save it, and send it to whoever...This is my educated guess as to what they did. It's a practical solution to a site of that nature. It has nothing to do with better views, cleaner air, or mooring boats against the terrace LOL.
    Mooring boats?! I shouldn't laugh but..
    I'll tell 'em dazza said it

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