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    As part of my continuing effort to catalogue Street Views across Merseyside, I paid a visit to Speke this morning. I was able to take quite a number of photographs, mainly of housing and shops. They appear below...

    Western Avenue:









    Speke Pubs:


    Mill House - Corner Alderwood Avenue and Miners Way


    The Orient - Corner Eastern Avenue and East Millwood Road

    Central Way:


    Corner Central Way and Oldbridge Road

    Southern Road:


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    Shops at Speke Church Road / Speke Town Lane "The Crescent":







    Shops at Alderwood Avenue:



    ... and Buckley Walk, on the perimeter of the airport.



    ... More Speke photos soon.
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    Can't see 'em Ross.

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    You should now
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    All still very thirties - curves and lines - like the old airport and hangars. Won't be long before those shops are down by the look of the tinned up flats above them.

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    Nice one Ross. Good shots. It looks very run down. Are all the shops empty.

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    I'm glad you like the photos... and, yes - very thirties. That's one of the reason's why I'm interested in these buildings. As far as I know, the estate was built between the mid to late thirties and the late fifties.

    Social housing is of great interest to me, and these large estates such as Speke (and Norris Green) are fantastic examples of quality social housing on a grand scale.

    The estate - from what I saw today - is not bad at all. Many of the houses are well-kept, and occupancy is high. The shops are a different matter, but that's the same story on most estates today. Just look at the new Morrisons store only a short walk away, and you can see why the shops are empty.

    I'll add some more photos of this sort - and if anybody else has any I'd be very interested to see them.

    Incidentally, there is a website at www.spekeliverpool.co.uk that looks interesting, although I've not yet had a proper look at it.
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    The shops at Speke Church Road - are they the ones that were called 'The Crescent?' Lived in Dymchurch Road until I was 10 and used to have to go to The Crescent for 'messages' (as we used to call shopping) for my mum.

    The first shop was a barbers - he'd put a plank across the arm rests for us kids. He wouldn't cut your hair if it was wet - yet these days they only seem to cut hair wet.

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    Yes it is "The Crescent". Many of the shops in speke have been boarded up for years and probably will be for years to come. The crescent was one of the nicer parts of Speke. I remember a shop there called I think "Gouldings". I hevent been around there for a good while but last time i went it was pretty dire. Didnt the Dymmy get flattened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    Yes it is "The Crescent". Many of the shops in speke have been boarded up for years and probably will be for years to come. The crescent was one of the nicer parts of Speke. I remember a shop there called I think "Gouldings". I hevent been around there for a good while but last time i went it was pretty dire. Didnt the Dymmy get flattened?
    Yes - most of Dymmy was flattened. We lived in the prefabs that were the last row of housing before the recreational field and the old airport. We moved to Allerton in 1961.

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    Plenty of similiar pics on my site below Ross as I too are interested in housing, street views and maybe the more mundane type of local photography other than our prestigious buildings. Check out the streets ahead page.

    I always thought that funny Kevin, the way going to the shops was on the 'messages'

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    Messages was because your ma gave you a bit of paper with what she wanted on it because she knew you would forget by the time you got there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Plenty of similiar pics on my site below Ross as I too are interested in housing, street views and maybe the more mundane type of local photography other than our prestigious buildings. Check out the streets ahead page.

    I always thought that funny Kevin, the way going to the shops was on the 'messages'

    We always called our lino oil cloth too and the place we cooked was the back kitchen with what we now call the living room being the kitchen.
    My mate next door - Ronnie Gerrard - use to go for the messages for his mum. He used to go to a farmer's field nearby and dig up potatoes and put them in the bag (potatoes were always loose and covered in soil in those days so you had a special potato bag). He'd then keep the potato money.
    He had no way of weighing the potatoes so would just dig up a load. Eventually, his mum went for some potatoes and complained in the shop when the bag didn't get filled the way it normally did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    Messages was because your ma gave you a bit of paper with what she wanted on it because she knew you would forget by the time you got there
    Yep - and if any of the messages were from the Coop (there was one in the Crescent), she'd write the divvy number down as well.

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    Then in the late 70s they built brand new housing on the Dymchurch and it was wrecked within 20 years. It was like Beiruit there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    Then in the late 70s they built brand new housing on the Dymchurch and it was wrecked within 20 years. It was like Beiruit there.
    Lots of young kids when I was there. We'd play out all day and wander miles - kids as young as 5 and up to about 12 or 13. Always safe. How times have changed.

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    Good pics and tales, keep them coming Ross
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    I enjoyed the views of Speke Ross, Thanks!, the area is looking a bit sad now, but I guess age is the culprit! The old Speke Church side of Western Ave is of course the oldest area, built well before the war, on the other side, the only roads that were there in 1945 was Linner Rd and L***** Rd., (my memory has let me down) and they only went from Halewood Rd down to where Central Ave is now. When I left school in 1946 I worked, (for a very short time) as a 'Can Lad' for Unit Construction Co, carpenters, who were buiding the houses there at that time. Prior to that, the area was all fields, ponds, and the Bluebell Woods. and was a great area for kids to play and explore, had a great many happy days there. Oh! and bye the way, there were NO Pubs in Speke then, it was'nt allowed, the original owner of the land (Speke Hall) had decreed it was to be a dry area, for a number of years anyway. Thanks for the photo's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm NZ View Post
    I enjoyed the views of Speke Ross, Thanks!, the area is looking a bit sad now, but I guess age is the culprit! The old Speke Church side of Western Ave is of course the oldest area, built well before the war, on the other side, the only roads that were there in 1945 was Linner Rd and L***** Rd., (my memory has let me down) and they only went from Halewood Rd down to where Central Ave is now. When I left school in 1946 I worked, (for a very short time) as a 'Can Lad' for Unit Construction Co, carpenters, who were buiding the houses there at that time. Prior to that, the area was all fields, ponds, and the Bluebell Woods. and was a great area for kids to play and explore, had a great many happy days there. Oh! and bye the way, there were NO Pubs in Speke then, it was'nt allowed, the original owner of the land (Speke Hall) had decreed it was to be a dry area, for a number of years anyway. Thanks for the photo's.
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    Hi Ross, here's a couple of recent pic's of what was Speke village! The church ,and the schoolhouse,a row of workers cottages,though the local pub,the "Fox" seems to have gone!?

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    I know the Dove & Olive and the Pegasus have gone and the Flying Saucer has been the Millhouse for some time but surely the Fox hasn't gone has it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm NZ View Post
    I enjoyed the views of Speke Ross, Thanks!, the area is looking a bit sad now, but I guess age is the culprit! The old Speke Church side of Western Ave is of course the oldest area, built well before the war, on the other side, the only roads that were there in 1945 was Linner Rd and L***** Rd., (my memory has let me down) and they only went from Halewood Rd down to where Central Ave is now. When I left school in 1946 I worked, (for a very short time) as a 'Can Lad' for Unit Construction Co, carpenters, who were buiding the houses there at that time. Prior to that, the area was all fields, ponds, and the Bluebell Woods. and was a great area for kids to play and explore, had a great many happy days there. Oh! and bye the way, there were NO Pubs in Speke then, it was'nt allowed, the original owner of the land (Speke Hall) had decreed it was to be a dry area, for a number of years anyway. Thanks for the photo's.
    Thanks... and an interesting reply. The exclusion of pubs in the early days of the estate begin is interesting, just as with the Norris Green estate - where of course the pubs were built on the perimeter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross08 View Post
    Thanks... and an interesting reply. The exclusion of pubs in the early days of the estate begin is interesting, just as with the Norris Green estate - where of course the pubs were built on the perimeter.
    Penny Lane was the same. Between the Rose of Mossley and the Brook House was a lot of streets and no pub. Not one pub was on Allerton Rd. Different now isn't it.

    Drink problems were rife in the the working classes in the central areas where there were pubs on every corner. So when they redesigned they attempted to reduce the alcohol temptation. But they never put in any social focal points - the pubs were the traditional focal points.
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    Speke had

    Pubs

    The Dove and Olive
    The Orient (Dirty Daves)
    The Noahs Ark
    The Pegasus
    The Fox
    Flying Saucer/Millhouse

    Clubs

    St Ambrose
    Speke Social Club (The Ponderosa)
    St Christophers
    Dunlops
    Metal Box
    Damwood Hall
    British Legion
    Bramhall social club
    Evans'
    Prefab on Speke Hall Ave - Cant remember the name.
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    We played at Speke Rugby club once too, they had a bar full of ugl...batter...cauli... nice looking gentlemen - and we went down well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    Speke had

    Pubs

    The Dove and Olive
    The Orient (Dirty Daves)
    The Noahs Ark
    The Pegasus
    The Fox
    Flying Saucer/Millhouse
    When compared to long roads like Park Rd and Scotland Rd which virtually had a pub on each block, that paled into insignificance. Very few could do Park Rd (from the Flat Iron at St James church to Dingle) or Scotland Rd (inc Byrom St) end to end and have a pint in each pub. I know two guys who did both. I knew a number who did them end to end having a half in each pub.

    The people who went to Speke were from areas that pubs were the social focal point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    We played at Speke Rugby club once too, they had a bar full of ugl...batter...cauli... nice looking gentlemen - and we went down well.
    That was the one i couldnt remeber the name of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I know the Dove & Olive and the Pegasus have gone and the Flying Saucer has been the Millhouse for some time but surely the Fox hasn't gone has it?
    I think your right,I'm mixing the"Peg" and the"Fox" up!

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    Some of those pubs fell into the hands of notorious families who didnt know the first thing about running pubs. Some of them were real rough houses and still are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    Some of those pubs fell into the hands of notorious families who didnt know the first thing about running pubs. Some of them were real rough houses and still are.
    Funny, cos it would appear that all the estate pubs are remarkably rough. They're not places you would travel to have a drink in one. Why are estate pubs so rough.

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    When I saw that the Mill House had been called the Flying Saucer, I thought it had been a nickname. Was this the actual name?
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