What's so great about Old Buildings?

[Waterways]

I write for myself thanks. I don't regurgitate without thought - like yourself

You incapable of any intelligent reasoning that is clear. All you have done is regurgitate propaganda.

I don't need your help, thank you. I am not even slightly interested in the primacy of your points.

You should be as it affects even YOU. You are not bright enough to realise it.

I'm not interested in doing your donkey work for you.

Who is asking you to do research? You repeatedly prattled falsehoods and views based of falsehoods. I have pointed you on how to be educated on a point you basically know sweet nothing about. Yet you refuse and keep making yourself look foolish. You prefer to remain in ignorance. You are being screwed and like it and want it to continue. How odd. They love the likes of you. You keep them rich.

[Waterways]

True. We appear to be going the American way but we don't have the land.

Oh No!! Another brainwashed one who refuses to believe reality. Once again...only 7.5% of the land in settled. THE UK HAS A SURPLUS OF LAND

Please stop making a fool of yourself. They must love the likes of you, you keep them rich.

[Waterways]

I think ther's enough land to build on in the city boundaries already, it just needs utilising better.

Don't think find out. Of the homes the UK needs only 14% can be built on brownfield sites. You have been told this a number of time and given referenced links.

[Waterways]

It's not so much more housing needed as less
people.

The UK is drastically short of decent, suitable,affordable homes.
The country can easily support 100 million people. I am not saying
increase to that level, but the country has a land surplus and can
easily feed itself.

It's the infrastructure such as roadways and amenities such as energy and
the services such as health and the unemployment due to an almost none
existent manufacturing base that can't sustain millions of extra people.

As the population increases the infrastructure increase with it. You are
assuming nothing changes only more people come about. We are short of
millions of homes right now. The land and planning system chokes the
building of homes. The free market can deliver, if the market is opened
up. The state currently subsidises all homes.

• Tax relief on mortgages for private homes
• Direct subsidy for public housing.

There is better ways of spending taxpayers money, when the free market
with little state intervention can deliver.

Extracts: Unaffordable Housing - Report....

Moreover, as we have said, there are not enough existing
brown field sites to solve the problem. The Rogers Report,
which might be expected to take an optimistic view on the
subject, estimated that, during the period 1996 to 2021
there would be a demand for 3.8 million homes. Of these,
however, on their calculations, only some 531,000 could be
built on the sites of currently vacant land or derelict buildings,
that is about 14 percent of the total

There is no reason to suspect that the position has
changed significantly since Best carried out his research.
Indeed, given the stringency of the British planning system
the urban proportion has, if anything, increased far more
in other countries than in Britain. This was even confirmed
in the Rogers Report. Figure 8 is taken from the Report and
shows that the assertion that England is a country that is
slowly being buried under tarmac is simply not true. 35.1
million inhabitants live in cities of more than 20,000
inhabitants. These are roughly three quarters of the total
population. Yet, these people only use 7.2 per cent of the
land. What this means is that, contrary to popular belief,
we are not living on a crowded and urbanised island, but
only in crowded and extremely dense cities.

Read in Order:

• Unaffordable Housing - Report
• Bigger Better Faster More - Report
• BetterHomes Greener Cities - Report

[petromax]

Forget the stately homes and lavish public buildings, it's the everyday or vernacular architecture, which appeals to me....

Interesting. The buildings with the hands of the 'ordinary' people on them?? Very different from the likes of St George's Hall; the Architecture of Power!

Is this the Apollo in Blackpool (according to the file name)? Is it still there?

[Sirob]

I do not know what happened to the Apollo Bingo Club aka Palladium Cinema, Blackpool. The club closed at the beginning of September and the staff that were stripping it did not know either.
I left the file name so that anyone could see what it is.

[dazza]

Architecture for me is:

A corroded, black painted, foot-scraper sitting within a hollowed-out and back scuffed wall alcove. A witness to a time before long gone, when the sidewalk was paved, but the road was not.

I don't know about you guys, but I get stopped in the street all the time, by simple objects like these. It could be ornamental stone name plates; paint faded old advertisements on the side of buildings; datum marks; boundary stones; Georgian fanlight windows; cannons used as bollards; statues made from captured enermy ordnance.

Architecture, I think, represents all of these things - objects which embody meaning. It hasn't got to look pretty, or be expensive...but I think it's important that it tells some kind of story.

[pablo42]

Don't think find out. Of the homes the UK needs only 14% can be built on brownfield sites. You have been told this a number of time and given referenced links.

Sorry WW, I don't belive statistics.

[pablo42]

Oh No!! Another brainwashed one who refuses to believe reality. Once again...only 7.5% of the land in settled. THE UK HAS A SURPLUS OF LAND

Please stop making a fool of yourself. They must love the likes of you, you keep them rich.

Sorry WW, brainwashed one? thanks. I don't believe statistics.

[Waterways]

Sorry WW, I don't belive statistics.

Please do not be so childish. You are making yourself look silly. Hard figures are hard. Interpreted stats is another thing.

[Waterways]

cannons used as bollards; statues made from captured enermy ordnance.

Where these days. They were everywhere when I was a kid.

Architecture, I think, represents all of these things - objects which embody meaning. It hasn't got to look pretty, or be expensive...but I think it's important that it tells some kind of story.

I think the word you are looking for is heritage.

[pablo42]

Please do not be so childish. You are making yourself look silly. Hard figures are hard. Interpreted stats is another thing.

Ha, I never make meself look silly. You stick to your statistics and I'll go for what I know.

Seeing you're bringing up statistics, how many people are on the dole.

[Partsky]

Architecture for me is:

A corroded, black painted, foot-scraper sitting within a hollowed-out and back scuffed wall alcove. A witness to a time before long gone, when the sidewalk was paved, but the road was not.

I don't know about you guys, but I get stopped in the street all the time, by simple objects like these. It could be ornamental stone name plates; paint faded old advertisements on the side of buildings; datum marks; boundary stones; Georgian fanlight windows; cannons used as bollards; statues made from captured enermy ordnance.

Architecture, I think, represents all of these things - objects which embody meaning. It hasn't got to look pretty, or be expensive...but I think it's important that it tells some kind of story.

Yeah Darren. I love seeing old walls utilising even older brick, cannibalised by newer builders. The Egyptians and Romans did it and you see parts of our past integrated into newer environments in Liverpool, particularly in Woolton, West Derby, Green Lane. In my neck of the woods, Lydiate, I keep seeing bits and pieces of the old Priory and Lydiate hall bricks integrated into old farm walls. Its funny how you can walk right past and not notice

[Waterways]

Ha, I never make meself look silly. You stick to your statistics and I'll go for what I know.

You made yourself look very silly indeed. What you know? About this topic it isn't much at all and lacking basic knowledge of figures. Do not tell yourself lies and believe them.

Seeing you're bringing up statistics, how many people are on the dole.

You have such a wandering mind. Talking stats, Petro was on about densities.Here are some figure which no doubt you will think are made up:

Compare some approximate population densities of English cities and continental ones:

Manhattan 27,500/km2
L.A. (city) 3,200/km2
Paris 25,000/km2 (including bois de boulogne and bois de vincennes)
Barcelona 16,500/km2
Stockholm 4,400/km2
Brussels 6,700/km2
Athens 7,600/km2
Naples 8,200/km2
Berlin 3,850/km2
Moscow 9,700/km2
Melbourne 1,600/km2

Greater London 4,800/km2
Liverpool (Borough & City) 4,200/km2
Metropolitan Borough of Manchester 3,800/km2
City of Nottingham 3,700/km2
Bristol 3,600/km2
Newcastle on Tyne 2,400/km2
City Borough of Salford 2,200/km2

Liverpool is not far behind London. They have a full metro system while Liverpool is not supposed to have the population to support one, while being denser than Berlin and they have an underground as well. Amazing what what some numbers can tell you.

[kevin]

Please do not be so childish. You are making yourself look silly. Hard figures are hard. Interpreted stats is another thing.

Who looks silly now? It is NOT just about how stats are interpreted, but how they are gathered. It is so easy to build bias into questions to ensure that you get the hard figures you require.