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    It was built as a railway hotel anyway. Trains where the reason for its existence.


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    Have they opened up the steps/plaza in front of Lime St Station next to this hotel yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    its now halls of residence for students.
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    Just had a thought...It prolly failed as an hotel because of the noise from the trains coming and going?
    Fine photograph, Spike. Thanks for sharing it with us. I have no doubt that as a hotel it did a roaring trade. At the time it was built, railway hotels were quite common and probably very convenient for travellers including commercial salesmen coming to do work in Liverpool... they were not choosy where they laid their heads.

    Another British railway hotel, London's Charing Cross Hotel has some connection with the theory about Liverpool's James Maybrick having perhaps been Jack the Ripper:

    "The Thistle Charing Cross Hotel has welcomed many, many esteemed guests in its 140 years and most interestingly one particular scoundrel. When he wasn’t out murdering prostitutes, it is thought that Jack the Ripper stayed here. Enthusiasts believe that ‘Jack’ was at least two people and amongst the tantalising clues that suspects left for bamboozled detectives was a bag, apparently discarded by a fleeing Mr Mibrac (a likely nom de poignard of James Maybrick) in the hotel full of incriminating evidence: scraps of inappropriate clothing and personal effects, despite such hints to his (their) identity ‘Jack’ was never arrested and could still be at large..." From url=http://www.coventgarden.uk.com/featureshistory/fh_streets.php?c_id=street&street=81&submit=Go&sub mitted=TRUE

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    I think it was that fella who was the surgeon.
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    Here's an oldun


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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    Here's an oldun

    I remember when that photograph was taken!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    I'm giving him a second chance too.
    It looks like the spires have ear muffs on.
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    Post WW2 they were going to pull it down and build modern buildings. It was not a hotel for long. Most of the time it has been largely empty.

    I can't see it ever being a hotel again, as the city is moving onto the waterfront.
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    I am informed it might well have been the depression that closed it for business in 1933. The Owen Owen building by W. Aubrey Thomas was built as a hotel but was changed to a department store instead in 1925.

    How many hotels were built or opened between 1933 and St. Georges on the Precinct?
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    First time I seen the inside, it looks good.

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    Its true name was "North-Western Hotel"

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Its true name was "North-Western Hotel"
    Yes, I only ever knew it by this name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I am informed it might well have been the depression that closed it for business in 1933. The Owen Owen building by W. Aubrey Thomas was built as a hotel but was changed to a department store instead in 1925.

    How many hotels were built or opened between 1933 and St. Georges on the Precinct?

    Thanks for this, Ged.
    I knew it had closed in the 1930s, but didn't know when.
    I can't think of any hotels being built in the city centre since the Adelphi (1916).
    (Apart from the Owen Owen building which you mention).
    St George's opened in 1971.
    The Centre (Lord Nelson Street) opened round about that time, but I don't have a date for it.
    The Atlantic Tower was 1973.

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    Your welcome Quentin, my usual source is very very good and glad you concur with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    It looks like the spires have ear muffs on.
    I wondered what it would look like without ear muffs on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdy View Post
    I wondered what it would look like without ear muffs on

    Before

    Much better! If they had heating systems like today, they would never have put the ear muffs on. It now looks like a proper French Châteaux which it was based on. It needs another clean. And the surplus to requirements chimney stacks removed.
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    Default Washington Buildings and Goree Piazza

    Can anybody help?

    I have just uncovered an ancestor as having as business in 1911 at 23 Washington Buildings, Lower Castle St. The business was "Holdsworth Ernest + Co, Commission Agents".

    Any information on either the premises or the company would be really gratefully accepted - either pre or post 1911.

    The name of my ancestor is Frederick Fellows, but at this time he was going by the surname of Fellows Poole (though Poole never appeared in his name until 1901 that I am aware).


    ALSO

    The son of the above mentioned was listed as a licenced victualler in 1911 (again using the name Frederick Fellows Poole). He was at 9 Goree Piazza.

    I have found some great photos of this building on the site, but would like to know how I can trace the name of the pub.

    Any clues????

    Thanks

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    But WW... it isn't a proper French chateau, it's a hotel in a wet and windy nothern English city.

    Whilst we're at it why don't we knock down the round bit at the north end of St. Georges Hall? After all, Greek and Roman temples (on which the Hall is based) seldom had apses.

    Advocating the removal of the 'ear muffs' is historical vandalism, altering Waterhouse's original design and to it I say "non!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    But WW... it isn't a proper French chateau, it's a hotel in a wet and windy nothern English city.
    It was based on the style of French Château. The building opposite was based on a Greek building, but it also is not in Greece.

    Advocating the removal of the 'ear muffs' is historical vandalism, altering Waterhouse's original design and to it I say "non!"
    It is not vandalism. It will clearly improve the building. And do what the original designer wanted. It is only grade 2 listed and only from 1867. The ear muffs were a way to attempt to hide the stacks - not very successfully. It looks so much better without them - much more crisp. The earmuffs obscure the attractive spires -they must go. Also, the now needless stacks require maintenance and many have fallen.
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    I prefare it without the"earmuffs" they do look a bit of an afterthought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdy View Post
    I prefare it without the"earmuffs" they do look a bit of an afterthought.
    It would look so much better. Nice render Birdy. What package did you use?
    I think it is bigger than any Châteaux in France, the height makes it bigger as most ion France are not that high. The one in Quebec/Montreal is larger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Much better! If they had heating systems like today, they would have never have put the ear muffs on. It now looks like a proper French Châteaux which it was based on. It needs another clean. And the surplus to requirements chimney stacks removed.
    I dont think it's as dirty as my bad photo suggests i think GD's earlier image is a truer colour.
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    Nice one Joe. It's a lovely square that.

    What happened to the post box no the Station picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillandclaire View Post
    Can anybody help?

    The son of the above mentioned was listed as a licenced victualler in 1911 (again using the name Frederick Fellows Poole). He was at 9 Goree Piazza.

    I have found some great photos of this building on the site, but would like to know how I can trace the name of the pub.

    Any clues????

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    It was called "Goree Vaults".

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    Fabulous photographs once again, Joe!

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Sharples View Post
    It was called "Goree Vaults".
    Brilliant, thankyou. Another piece to my jigsaw

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    In 1911 there was a business property at 23 Washington Buildings, Lower Castle Street.

    Does anybody know if this building is still standing, or even better has a picture?

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    Old police and fire station on Durning Rd. Built 1883-4,closed 1976,grade 2 listed building

    Station and pub next door which was built built in 1881,like the stations chimneys

    Clare Terrace on Marmaduke Street

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