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    Certain drugs in moderation don't have to be anti social,it's only when people get hooked on heroin and crack does a community take a nosedive,Norris Green was a lovely place to live in the 80's until heroin got a hold.You're a danger to no one but yourself when you've been smoking cannabis or you've had a trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bevy View Post
    yes but the problem is when they are on the drugs thats when they do intimidate the community.ok we all used to have a few beers when we were kids and get up to no good, but the kids today are on another level.

    its scarry. or am i just getting old?
    I think that argument 'is it us getting old' is part of the problem as has been the 'the kids of today' phrase used for the same period since the 80's. For the past 20 odd years its been the done thing to assume that its all becuase we are getting older but like you said, its on another level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    I think that argument 'is it us getting old' is part of the problem as has been the 'the kids of today' phrase used for the same period since the 80's. For the past 20 odd years its been the done thing to assume that its all becuase we are getting older but like you said, its on another level.
    It's all down to American culture being glamourised on our T.V sets for years,they went down the pan years ago and now they've took us with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
    Certain drugs in moderation don't have to be anti social,it's only when people get hooked on heroin and crack does a community take a nosedive,Norris Green was a lovely place to live in the 80's until heroin got a hold.You're a danger to no one but yourself when you've been smoking cannabis or you've had a trip.


    yeh but they aint JUST doing weed and trips anymore m8..they are all on beek and thats an ego drug, thats why they all think they are scarface.

    drugs have such a big influence in this. it calmed down alot in the early 90's. you know why. they were all on E's.not just the streets clubs aswell.

    now coke is in big time and its a nasty drug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
    It's all down to American culture being glamourised on our T.V sets for years,they went down the pan years ago and now they've took us with them.
    That's how I see it too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bevy View Post
    yeh but they aint JUST doing weed and trips anymore m8..they are all on beek and thats an ego drug, thats why they all think they are scarface.

    drugs have such a big influence in this. it calmed down alot in the early 90's. you know why. they were all on E's.not just the streets clubs aswell.

    now coke is in big time and its a nasty drug.
    Everthing is 'celeb' these days, everyone loves their media obessed lives, people are addicted to the drama of everything. Listen to the conversations of young lads and girls who work on the tills in shops. Its all 'who beat up who' etc. The media reinforces it all, no one makes judgement so know one 'feels a-shamed'. If a high profile footballer or anyone who's remotely 'famous' is in the papers for drugs, prostitutes etc, its all good for their career, their books, their profile etc.
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    There is nothing that can be done about this problem and it is going to get worse and worse. Parts of Britain's inner cities will begin more and more to resemble the hell of South Central in LA, Harlem and the Bronx in New York. We are on a nasty downward slide.

    We've heard talk about this for the last few years and what, if anything, has been achieved? Nothing. The state doesn't have the powers to tackle this, and this is exactly why nothing has been achieved.

    Let's face it, against an army of vermin who smash up property, launch violent attacks on innocent people, bully people, what can be done? These "people" (I prefer to call them animals) do not have the conscience, manners, and morals that civilised people have. A lot of them have had crappy parents who never taught them right from wrong. A lot of them don't even work, and it is painful for the decent people affected by these animals to know that their taxes pay for these filthy scum to eat and drink and do what they do.

    The only way this can be properly tackled is for somebody with a radical agenda to get into power, who has the guts to say we need to give these verminous, sadistic imbeciles a bloody nose and crush them. Regardless of EU and UK regulations, the police (I'm not a huge fan of the police but I prefer them to the animals) need to be given strong powers and encouraged to attack the scum. No fancy treatment, they need to be dragged off the streets and thrown in jail. They need to have their benefits withdrawn, and as tax payers we need to finance a massive prison building programme in a remote location to stick them all in. Prefeably I'd prefer the death sentence or some kind of labotomisation strategy, but this is unlikely.

    It is tough, and it won't work perfectly, but brutal tactics are required to deal with these monsters. The government needs to come out and say "From this time next week, if you have a gun, or engage in gang related activities and terrorising civilised people, you will have your rights cancelled and will be crushed. Don't say you were not warned!!"

    Blair's focus on children before they are born isn't a bad idea. Whether it works is another matter. But the basic idea is clever. After all, using strong arm tactics to crush the scum is one thing- but trying to reduce the number of them created in the first place would help. Most of these little ****es have not been brought up properly. A lot of people having kids shouldnt be bloody having them in my honest opinion. It only ruins the lives of other people when they go off the rails.

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    I vote Blabber for prime minister..

    I couldn't agree more.

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    Yes spot on Blabbs we should also lower the age in which a juvenile can be sentenced to prison,keep them in custody until they're 16 and then lock them up proper.

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    I'm sure the Government know exactly what it should do with this problem but the task is immense.

    You cannot assume these people live in poverty, they don't. Everything they have is paid for by tax payers, we should be able to claim it back if its not used for good purposes.

    What they have lacked is parental guidance and have been spoilt by handouts. They live better than most tax payers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    I'm sure the Government know exactly what it should do with this problem but the task is immense.

    You cannot assume these people live in poverty, they don't. Everything they have is paid for by tax payers, we should be able to claim it back if its not used for good purposes.

    What they have lacked is parental guidance.
    The only way this dire problem can be rectified is for an urgent and powerful reaction by the state on behalf of the good people in this country. The people who mind their own business, who go to work, who save up for things, who are nice people, who want to make a better life for themselves- who are attacked by and have their posessions smashed by these scum.

    If the police are given the powers they need, and the weapons and protection they need, they will not be so scared. Also, a lot of military troops should be brought in to add numbers. I'm not talking about a ***** footing operation. I'm talking about a rapid onslaught.

    The police were scared to deal with these thugs becuase they may have been attacked with guns, or because they were afraid of causing a reaction that would harm innocent people in the area.

    If they can go in there and wipe these c***ts out, in a harsh and brutal manner, these gangsters won't feel so confident any more. The hard core trouble makers and the leaders are in relatively small numbers anyway. Kill the head vampires and all the others become ineffectual.

    I'm not saying it will be easy. It won't. But who controls the streets depends on who has the power, and if the civilised world doesn't take control then the consequences will be regrettable for a long time to come. Areas will be increasingly evacuated by the good people (which is terrible for them obviously) and areas will decua more and more.

    Why the hell shouldn't I be able to walk where I want when I want?

    I agree with Paul as well. These 14 year olds who go around throwing bricks at people and homes, and bullying civilised people. If they don't act like children, why the **** should they be treated like children?
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    The only way this dire problem can be rectified is for an urgent and powerful reaction by the state on behalf of the good people in this country
    That's the trouble with this spineless country we just bend over and take instead of forcing the Government into action,people power works but we're to interested in curtain twitching,soap operas and going into more debt to keep up with the Jones's.In France the people get their way all the time because they stick together and act as one and we always moan about them for blocking the roads etc but I say hats off to them I wish we were more like that.We in this country seem more interested in people working on the side instead of questioning why people have to do it,they should be questioning the extortionate taxes we have to pay instead or indeed why we are living in fear of the yob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
    It's all down to American culture being glamourised on our T.V sets for years,they went down the pan years ago and now they've took us with them.
    Paul D,
    It is too easy to blame American culture as seen on T.V.
    My kids were 2 and 4 when I opted to come to the U.S,A. so they have watched more American c r a p than any of your yobs, they both grew up to be hard workers and are both now married with kids. So there is your argument shot to pieces.
    I have seen a lot of anti-American sentiment on the Echo forums, mostly through ignorance of what it is like in America. I feel safer on the streets here than I do when I visit the U.K. not that I'm a nervous person, I drove a hackney cab on nights in Liverpool for years, I wouldn't do it the way it is now though.



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    These people have little education though and they're are striving to be someone and get themselves out of poverty the easy way and these American gangsters show them that it can be done,the murderer Snoop Dog anyone!

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    I won't repeat myself except to say what you are saying is false. I think the difference is that my kids saw me go to work everyday to provide what we needed, so they learned by example.
    A lot of the yobs parents have never worked, so blame the people who took the work away and replaced it with free benefits, and a system which encouraged working on the side while claiming them.
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    I think the difference is that my kids saw me go to work everyday to privide what we needed, so they learned by example.A lot of the yobs parents have never worked.
    That's also a decisive factor in all of this and a lot of the kids parents around here are never out of the pub,some would even accept money off their kids knowing it was made through selling drugs just so they can get out on the ale.Poor role models that's sort of what i'm saying when I suggested the American link but of course the problem also lies more closer to home,they are looking up to lifes losers but try telling them that when the scum on telly they asspire to be are living a millionaires lifestyle and their parents just don't seem to care,drugs can be very lucrative and you don't have to get up at 6am every day,it's the easy way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bevy View Post
    it's getting worse , turned the tv on last night and the news was just shootings.
    If we think we're bad consider this,in a 5 year period in the 90's Mosside saw 27 people killed by guns and about 250 other people also shot.A girl was shot in some womens garden in Manchester last week and on todays teletext she said this is the fifth person to be shot outside of her houss in the 6 years that she's been living there.

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    It's quite commonplace to see drug deals going on here in Anfield - and in braod daylight too. There is no such thing as hiding it. they don't care who sees. There is a particular road where the druggies queue up every day waiting for the dealer to arrive. The police know about it.
    Houses where drugs can be bought are common knowledge and the kids around here only have to step outside to obtain drugs easily. It's on the streets and by the schools - God forbid, my son could quite easily get them if he had a mind to. I do my best though to educate him and warn him on these matters .

    It's not always people 'getting older' that are horrified - I've heard younger people too. Like the young mum I saw on the bus the other week and she stood up to the yobs.


    ...... and Blabber .... brilliantly said ! I agree with all of what you said. Well worded too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
    These people have little education though and they're are striving to be someone and get themselves out of poverty the easy way and these American gangsters show them that it can be done,the murderer Snoop Dog anyone!
    There is some truth in this I think.
    It's not that we are blaming Americans ! but the youth do seem to aspire to the American gangsta' theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bevy View Post
    it's getting worse , turned the tv on last night and the news was just shootings..

    but what can we do about it? I am all for cctv all over the place, i know people are against it but if you have nothing to hide then whats the problem?

    I know its not the answer but it sure would help. lets face it we can't have a police man on every street corner.
    Yes, why not.

    I can't see what the problem is - people who object to being on camera I mean.
    What's their gripe ??

    If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.

    Personally I couldn't care if there was a camera following me all day !!

    I have absolutely nothing to be guilty about.

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    There is a particular road where the druggies queue up every day waiting for the dealer to arrive. The police know about it.
    So what stops the Police from making any arrests or taking positive action?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    So what stops the Police from making any arrests or taking positive action?

    Probably nobody told them to, do you expect them to work on their own initiative like they do in The Bill?. It has to come to a point where people will revolt and demand value for money from the police, Privatise them maybe, a private business couldn't get away with their lack of performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    So what stops the Police from making any arrests or taking positive action?
    God knows !!


    They used to queue at the bottom of the road, and after neighbours complained to the police they just moved up to the top of the same road !

    There was an extra long queue last Xmas ! ha! the 'xmas rush'

    when I say a queue, I mean about 5 people waiting. But dead obvious what they are waiting for.
    Lots of times I've seen the dealers drive up to them and do their transactions.
    Once there were 2 grown women and a teenage girl. They got their stuff and as they walked ahead of me another woman approaching said to them,''oh hello, what are you doing around here - hasn't your daughter grown !!''
    One of them replied, ' oh, we only come down here for our stuff'

    Mother AND daughter !!


    actually, it's gone quiet around there the last week or so. Looks like they must have been moved on at last. But it was an every day thing that went on for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    So what stops the Police from making any arrests or taking positive action?
    They always ask for witnesses regrads what evindence they have they are passing the buck which puts the public at risk by standing up in a court also
    thier address is given to thier solicitors who check them out and try to say the are unreliable witnesses,also is the so called crime stoppers line as true as they promote it since this came in its true to say that more witnesses in court cases have been threaten thats why they have set up a so called
    protection body at the present time you can not trust anyone who is employed in the legal or law system in the uk.Merseyside Police state the have more Police on the Streets of Merseyside i have walked around Liverpool
    City Centre for 2hrs on a number of days over the past month but have never seen a Police Officer its also true to say if anyone witnesses a crime
    outside Merseyside Police Headquarters you can not report it to them.also
    why are their only 9 Police Stations open 24hrs and the rest are only part time in the Merseyside Area.
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    Paul D,
    It is too easy to blame American culture as seen on T.V.
    My kids were 2 and 4 when I opted to come to the U.S,A. so they have watched more American c r a p than any of your yobs, they both grew up to be hard workers and are both now married with kids. So there is your argument shot to pieces.
    It is not uncommon for people living in remote areas of the country to have heard of Western Cape street gangs such as the Americans, the Hard Livings, the Sexy Boys, the School Boys and the Junky Funky Kids. This is largely due to the fact that these gangs have managed to capture the attention of the media through their actions. Identification with American gangsters through popular culture characterises even the most docile of communities in rural and urban areas of the country.

    http://www.iss.co.za/pubs/Monographs...ngwarfare.html

    The Americans are the most violent gang in Cape Town South Africa and they are so called because their leader envied "American Culture" and aspired to be like them and that was my point,this goes on Worldwide search for hells Angels anywhere on the web and you can find them anywhere in Europe and they are undeniably an American phenomenon.Here's the Norway branch.

    http://www.hells-angels.no/

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    It's undeniably bad parenting and teenagers wanting to make their mark on the World and become someone so I'm not solely blaming American culture,but was merely pointing out it has a lot to answer for as my last post appears to suggest.The fact that the background music to their videos is American "gangster" rap proves that it's deeply embedded in their psyche.

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    Well 20 years ago when i was a nipper, it was all 'brands' such as nike and adidas and computers like the spectrum etc. Musically, well there was nothing except for what my mum and dad listened to, Abba, Mowtown etc. Oh yes, japanese films on betamax. The conversations we used to have about who had seen the latest film, Indiana Jones was too much for us to watch. That was when I was 10. Back in those days we did evrything we could in friendship groups, had adventures on our BMXs and Raliegh Strikers, went knicking golf balls from the 6th green at Allerton and trying to sell them back a few days later. That was it.

    I saw it a few years ago when all this 'Mischeif Night' began to appear before halloween in our communities , it spread like wildfire. With it came Eminem, 50 Cent, Dr Dre etc. The children as young as 8 listening to them on walkmans. WWF saw kids doing wrestling moves in playgrounds all over the show, breaking bones in the name of a laugh.I was shocked at NWA when I was 16 and listened to them for a bit but never wanted to ** any policemen or shoot anyone with guns. I was old enough to make the right choices.

    Everything is accessable these days and unfortunately we have adults who either, turn a blind eye or don't have a clue what out there. You couple that with everyones selfish 'got to have evrything' ideas without working for anything and there's trouble.

    The wider media has to take responsibility too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
    It is not uncommon for people living in remote areas of the country to have heard of Western Cape street gangs such as the Americans, the Hard Livings, the Sexy Boys, the School Boys and the Junky Funky Kids. This is largely due to the fact that these gangs have managed to capture the attention of the media through their actions. Identification with American gangsters through popular culture characterises even the most docile of communities in rural and urban areas of the country.

    http://www.iss.co.za/pubs/Monographs...ngwarfare.html

    The Americans are the most violent gang in Cape Town South Africa and they are so called because their leader envied "American Culture" and aspired to be like them and that was my point,this goes on Worldwide search for hells Angels anywhere on the web and you can find them anywhere in Europe and they are undeniably an American phenomenon.Here's the Norway branch.

    http://www.hells-angels.no/


    There was a documentary about the cape flats gang 'Hardliving'.. and the two brothers that ran it.. They were considered the toughest gang on the flats.. but were then chased out by a vigilante Muslim posse called G-Force

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    Quote Originally Posted by FKoE View Post
    There was a documentary about the cape flats gang 'Hardliving'.. and the two brothers that ran it.. They were considered the toughest gang on the flats.. but were then chased out by a vigilante Muslim posse called G-Force
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    I read a hilarious (apart from the ignorant "pikey") post in another forum, where it was suggested Sharia Law should be imposed on Crocky and Norris Green...

    "Perhaps Trevor Brooks, aka Omar Brooks, aka Abu Izzadeen and his mate Anjam Choudary and a few other nutters could be despatched up there, given the area to establish small independant Muslim 'state'and introduce Sharia law. That might sort these ghastly pikeys out! A few beheadings, a hand here, a nose there, a mass hanging by crane now and then"

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