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    Some CGI footage of the overhead railway, & the Pier Head by Steven Paul Wheeler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1VHJWpMOA


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    Very good, very clever. Gave me a real sense of how it was.

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    Some great vids there.
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    Got a film on vid(somewhere) taken from the overhead.It starts from the PH and runs for about 8 min.Just about all the ships in the packed Albert Dock are sail.Must try to find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNASHER View Post
    Got a film on vid(somewhere) taken from the overhead.It starts from the PH and runs for about 8 min.Just about all the ships in the packed Albert Dock are sail.Must try to find it.
    Do you mean this:
    Lumiers Film
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    That's the bugger,thanks saved me a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNASHER View Post
    That's the bugger,thanks saved me a job.
    The first moving film of Liverpool and the old St John's church as well, which was demolished shortly after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GNASHER View Post
    That's the bugger,thanks saved me a job.
    I've got a promo dvd of that (with more old footage) which they used for the "big wigs" at the opening ceremony of the Capitol Of Culture.

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    Great stuff guys.

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    That CGI vid was great, a lot of work has gone into that
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    Can anyone tell me the dimensions for the bow girder bridges please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xkopite View Post
    Can anyone tell me the dimensions for the bow girder bridges please.
    A Google might bring that up. I know the idea was to have one uniform dimensions from the stanchions. This was largely done, but there were exceptions and many different lengths.
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    One of my earliest, but very patchy, memories is of my Grandad taking me on the OH railway - I must have been about 3 at the time. I have a vision of it in my head but I'm no longer certain if it's based on reality or pictures I've seen in the intervening years.

    A much clearer memory, and one I've probably mentioned here before, is of an old geezer in Rigbys keeping two yanks entertained (and getting free beer from them) by telling them the most outlandish tales of 'old' Liverpool. When the 'Pier Head went all the way to Lime St', and 'When the overhead railway still ran underground'. The entire pub was hanging on his every word, not just the two yanks. We don't seem to see characters of his calibre anymore.

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    You mean liars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    You mean liars
    Where's your romance, Ged?

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    I was interested to read discussion of Liverpool's Overhead Railway and John Lennon's reference to it in an early version of the lyrics for the song "In My Life" in "An Irishman's Diary" by Karl Whitney, The Irish Times, 12th May 2008.

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    I think they were down by the time John was a schoolboy? Do you know whether they feature in Nowhere Boy, the new movie out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    I think they were down by the time John was a schoolboy? Do you know whether they feature in Nowhere Boy, the new movie out?
    John Lennon was 17 when the Overhead was demolished. I would guarantee he went on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    John Lennon was 17 when the Overhead was demolished. I would guarantee he went on it.
    Nowhere Boy is set in 1955 Liverpool. John is a 15 year old schoolboy. So if the art director's been doing his/her research it should be on the movie? And yes you're right, John would have definately travelled on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    John Lennon was 17 when the Overhead was demolished. I would guarantee he went on it.
    What makes you think that? I was 18 at the time and had never ridden on it. The only way I got to ride it was when the managing director of the company I worked for ( A railway nut) closed all branches for the day, hired buses and transported the whole staff to Dingle for the last ride. We were picked up at the North end and bussed back to work. I wont mention the name of the company because WW gets all wound up about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Nowhere Boy is set in 1955 Liverpool. John is a 15 year old schoolboy. So if the art director's been doing his/her research it should be on the movie? And yes you're right, John would have definately travelled on it.
    ...took me on it when I was much younger than that. I started at Quarry Bank the year John L. left it...

    It was the only easy way to "see the ships" and was a great cheap ride for any young kid.

    Not as many attractions back in those days for kids to get to.

    Any remember the platform passes to "see the trains", and the pass to get on the observation deck to "see the planes" at Speke Airport? We paid our precious pennies to "see stuff".

    The Overhead Railway was a kids weekend fun ride.... I vote Yes, he went on it.

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    I think you're right az_gila,

    I remember going up St John's restaurant tower as a child......meal was ok, but the moving floor and changing vista, well....that was something else! I came back from the toilets [in the central core] and sat down at somebody else's table, as the floor had rotated around a couple of degrees while I was answering nature's call........it was a long call though!

    I would have loved the overhead railway experience......but alas, too young! However, the London to Lime Street train rides on an elevated section of track, just after Edge Hill station and before the tunnel - you can see over the terraced houses' roofscape [mary poppins like] towards the cathedrals. This is how I imagine the Docker's umbella was like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by az_gila View Post
    ...took me on it when I was much younger than that. I started at Quarry Bank the year John L. left it...

    It was the only easy way to "see the ships" and was a great cheap ride for any young kid.
    We never saw the city with the city and could only see any water at the Pier Head or from the railings at Herculaneum Dock. And we lived near the docks. A whole wall blocked out all for 7miles.
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    There is an article on the Overhead in this !956 issue of Meccano Magazine, on page 554.

    Meccano Magazines dating from 1923 to 1970, plus other years are available for free download here.

    Some good articles to read, especially during the war years, and the adverts and prices are interesting too.
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    Stephen's new site has just gone live:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanier View Post
    There is an article on the Overhead in this !956 issue of Meccano Magazine, on page 554.

    Meccano Magazines dating from 1923 to 1970, plus other years are available for free download here.

    Some good articles to read, especially during the war years, and the adverts and prices are interesting too.
    Fantastic.The mag even covers the Duke of Lancaster ship. Now a wreck at Mostyn on the Dee.
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    What is sad about the Overhead was that in the 1940s it was proposed to make a full loop using the Overhead. All rail was nationalized, apart from the Overhead, and it was realized that a loop could built by using existing lines. The Outer Loop from Hunts Cross to Aintree would be the eastern part of the loop the Overhead the western part of the loop. The Overhead on Race days did make it way to Aintree. So no problem in getting the Overhead on the Outer Loop in the north end. The Overhead would link onto the line to Hunts Cross at Herculaneum Dock.

    The stations and track were there. All it needed was electrifying. It would use modern light-rail Overhead trains 3 cars long. If this had been done Merseyrail would have been superb today and the Overhead still with us. What a lost opportunity. Typical of Liverpool.

    Here is the Outer Loop in red - it runs further north to Aintree. The blue is the existing Northern Line.
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