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    Default P.MAC/J.LENNON'S HOUSES

    Finally got round to going on this tour,the only one were you can go inside the houses.John Lennon's,at Menlove avenue,and Paul Mac's,in Forthlin rd!Even if you're not a moptops fan,it's fascinating seeing the lack of stuff we just take for granted,now,in both of the houses,i.e. carpet squares,with lino round the outside,wooden draining boards,coal fires,very basic by today's standards,and even though J.L. lived in a so-called middle class area,there wasn't that much difference,from P.M's council house,the address must have been enough! The only "problem" is, you can't take pic's inside, but see if you think one of the custodian looks a little familiar ?


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    Cant see anyone familiar Steve, but good photos though.

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    The guy in the denim jacket looks familiar, but can't for the life of me think who it is, or where from
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    looks like Mr.P.Mc

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    I don't recognise anyone but I do know the fella in the green jacket needs some dentures

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    Two more addresses for McCartney that dont seem to figure in any tours. 72 Western Avenue Speke and 12 Ardwick Road Speke. I was once talking to the guy that presently lived i the Ardwick road house and he was in contact with Mike McCartney who had invited him to photograph/video shoots. McCartneys blacked out windows limo has been seen in Ardwick Road in the past on occasions when he has been up here. Sounds like he still has an oggle.

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    They figure on my tours though







    As does this one.





    Of course the worst bombing was to have already been and gone by then but they took no chances.



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    Nice one Ged.

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    Ged I wouldn't describe Sunbury rd as being small .. they are quite large houses inside.. and look at those double fronted bays These older type buildings have large rooms and a large hallway - unlike the council type shoeboxes. The Speke council houses are smaller apart from the fact they have a garden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    looks like Mr.P.Mc

    Nice photos
    Yeh,Spike, glad someone got it! It's what I thought,but so does he,and he has the accent,mannerisms off,pretty good too! Wouldn't fancy having to live in the 2 little rooms,he's got to live in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    Two more addresses for McCartney that dont seem to figure in any tours. 72 Western Avenue Speke and 12 Ardwick Road Speke. I was once talking to the guy that presently lived i the Ardwick road house and he was in contact with Mike McCartney who had invited him to photograph/video shoots. McCartneys blacked out windows limo has been seen in Ardwick Road in the past on occasions when he has been up here. Sounds like he still has an oggle.
    Didn't George live in Upton green,Speke,at one time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetcheeks View Post
    The guy in the denim jacket looks familiar, but can't for the life of me think who it is, or where from
    Spike will tell you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Didn't George live in Upton green,Speke,at one time?
    Yes he did. No 25.

    He lived there as the Beatles broke into fame. People used to come from America and camp out overnight in the green. Then he bought a house for his parents in Mackets Lane before eventually having a bungalow built for them in Appleton Thorne Warrington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    Yes he did. No 25.

    He lived there as the Beatles broke into fame. People used to come from America and camp out overnight in the green. Then he bought a house for his parents in Mackets Lane before eventually having a bungalow built for them in Appleton Thorne Warrington.
    They all moved around a fair bit,didn't they!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    They figure on my tours though







    As does this one.





    Of course the worst bombing was to have already been and gone by then but they took no chances.



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    Great pic's Ged,have you got one of 25 Upton Green,where Geoge lived?

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    Moving from Western Ave to Ardwick Rd? Similar houses. Must have been that Western Ave was main Rd, although in those days few cars on the road. The parts of Speke was dead.

    McCartney and Harrison were near neighbours and were basically two Speke kids. They would have taken the 82C bus to school each day. Got off at Duke Street and walked up to the Institute.
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    Must say,I thought they moved a lot,but the houses dont seem that different? Been up to Speke,recently,it's turned into road-hump land!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Must say,I thought they moved a lot,but the houses dont seem that different? Been up to Speke,recently,it's turned into road-hump land!!
    The estate should be pulled down. It is isolated and always was - poor planning to have a and estate isolated from the rest of the city. The airport could use the land for expansion which will benefit the city.

    I never liked Speke that much. The older pre-war part, the western section, was always nicer and quiet. The Eastern side, where Harrison and McCartney lived, especially near the central part, where they where, was quite rough. But to think it helped create a musical group which took the world at one stage is incredible. Was the influences more the Liverpool Institute School rather than the Speke estate?

    Speke wasn't bristling with music clubs that was for sure. A few pubs and that was it.
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    They had the British Legion in Conleach Road were Harrison played his first live gig in a duo.

    Harrison maintained some contact with Speke and gave ?2000 to the Speke Boys club in the 1980s. Eventually it closed but that was nice of him.

    The McCartneys moved to Ardwick Road so his mother could be more central to the estate as she was a midwife, or thats the reason given anyway.

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    Usually when some people flit from house to house its a case of aboiding long overdue rent/electric and gas bills.

    Some bird I knew on the canny farm estate done a moonlight flit every twelve months of staying in rented accomodation,she told me she's been as far as aberdeen,gloucester,yorkshire,bury,cheadle,swansea ,manchester and liverpool.

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    Hey Steve,what yer should have done is had a concealed palmcorder in a bag and set it on record before yer entered them homes of the beatles...ie candid recordings.

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    Yes Steve, got pics of them all which are in a booklet for my tours.

    Speke incidentally was held up as a fine example of a township estate with self contained amenities, won awards and led to a delegation from Liverpool going to New Delhi to build there.

    Lancelot Keay, designer of the landing flats served as Director of Housing in Liverpool until 1948. During his time in the post more than 35,000 new houses and flats were built across the city and four large-scale redevelopment schemes were implemented. Recognised for his flair and innovation in housing development, one of Keay?s most notable achievements was the creation of the township of Speke to the south-east of central Liverpool. Speke became a model for self-contained municipal housing estates throughout the world.

    He was rewarded for his contribution to public housing when he received a knighthood in 1947. He served as Director of Housing until 1948 and was also president of the Royal Institute of British Architects from 1946 to 1948.
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    Quote Originally Posted by underworld View Post
    They had the British Legion in Conleach Road were Harrison played his first live gig in a duo.

    Harrison maintained some contact with Speke and gave ?2000 to the Speke Boys club in the 1980s. Eventually it closed but that was nice of him.

    The McCartneys moved to Ardwick Road so his mother could be more central to the estate as she was a midwife, or thats the reason given anyway.
    Ardwick Rd was not far from Western Ave. There must be lots of 50 somethings around who had his Ma deliver the baby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Yes Steve, got pics of them all which are in a booklet for my tours.

    Speke incidentally was held up as a fine example of a township estate with self contained amenities,
    Speke was well laid out for sure and it was large. It was a village in itself, isolated from the rest of the city. Totally surrounded by an airport and industrial estates. It should not have been so isolated. It was a long bus ride from Garston to Speke - and still is. Garston should have been extended around the airport, rather than have industrial estates then the isolated Speke estate.

    The place was falling apart not long ago and it was the ideal time to demolish the lot to expand the airport as the estate is right in the way. The estate was never going to be a long term success as it was isolated and and a one class estate - working class. As people became wealthier they bought their own homes with the estate having no provision for private homes. It became a sink estate and an awful place. Friday and Saturday night in some of the pubs? Full of lunatics!!!

    A the corners inquest, they did decide
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    To go rent collecting in Speke

    People in Garston said it was isolated because it contained problem families. Well they would say that.

    BTW, I picked up a book in the library and was titled McCartney, by Heinmman. It stated that Speke had outside lavatories and had a chapter titled that. Speke had "inside" lavatories, like normal homes. The crap they write!!!
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    As far as I know Paul also lived in Broadway in Wallasey !

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    Yes Squiggs, 92 Broadway Avenue, Wallasey, mentioned on that 3rd pic on page 1 of this thread. It was his 2nd home during wartime Liverpool after moving from 10 Sunbury Rd.
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    Didn't they have a short spell at Sir Thomas White Gdns too ??


    .... they sure did move around a lot !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Yes Squiggs, 92 Broadway Avenue, Wallasey, mentioned on that 3rd pic on page 1 of this thread. It was his 2nd home during wartime Liverpool after moving from 10 Sunbury Rd.

    Yep, go to Wallasey to get away from bombing? Right near to Birkenhead docks? Mmmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Yes Squiggs, 92 Broadway Avenue, Wallasey, mentioned on that 3rd pic on page 1 of this thread. It was his 2nd home during wartime Liverpool after moving from 10 Sunbury Rd.
    Thanks Ged !, thought I was right, I lived close to Broadway for a while nice house and a wide Road.
    That part of Wallasey got quite alot of bomb damage in the war,so I'm not so sure escaping from Liverpool would have helped.

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