Everton District

[wallasey]

I've got an interesting....and quite possibly a controversial question to ask....What are the boundaries of Everton?

The reason why I ask is because I've been around Robson Street/Mere Lane today (taking piccies as you do) but I dont know weather I should upload em' to Anfield (as Breckfield Road is normally considered to be a part of Anfield me thinks) or Everton.

Many Thanks in advance!

[Ged]

Very borderline that but Everton library is of course at the top of Mere Lane, Sir Thomas White Gardens that were on the south side of Penrose Street were Everton L5 but imho i'd say Robson street and anything East of it is then Anfield.

[wallasey]

Thanks Ged...so is Breck Road between Sheil Road and Heyworth Street in Everton? I always thought it was, but as it is running down the other side of the hill, it is perfectly feasible to say that all of Breck Road is in Anfield.

But where exactly is Everton??? Some would say Great Homer Street is under Everton's belt...but others would suggest that its in Vauxhall. It's hard to distinguish where districts merge sometimes. We all know where Walton is...and we all know where Old Swan is....but what about Everton?

I do hope the above question doesn't sound somewhat shocking to you!!!

[chippie]

Hiya Russ,

I always thought that Breck Road started at Lower Breck Road and Priory Road junction and ended at Everton Road Heyworth Street junction. Well it was when I was growing up there.

As for the Anfield/Everton districts, doesn,t Everton start from Oakfield Road/Sheil Road?

If this has already been said, then it just shows that I didn,t follow the thread up to the top.

[chippie]

And Everton runs from West Derby Road to the bottom of St Domingo Road where it hits the Everton Valley junction.

[lindylou]

Hiya Russ,

I always thought that Breck Road started at Lower Breck Road and Priory Road junction and ended at Everton Road Heyworth Street junction. Well it was when I was growing up there.

It does . There is a sign saying Everton up by Belmont rd.

I think that's where L'pool 5 begins - - looking up towards town direction - - over to the right side of Breck rd (Oakfield side) is L5. but over to the left (Belmont side) is L6. or at least addresses in Belmont rd are L6 .. running towards Sheil?Kensington district which is still L6.


Although there is a sign for Everton, I don't really think of it as being Everton until you turn the corner into Everton rd or Heyworth st.

Breck rd, even though it is in 2 halves, most people consider as Anfield. It's a difficult being right on the border.


just to confuse matters - addresses down from Oakfield rd merge with both L4 & L6 - streets running down towards the direction of Walton Breck, Anfield rd.

[PhilipG]

I asked in the library if there was a definitive source to establish Liverpool's boundaries, and there isn't, apart from maps, which are quite confusing.
The problem with boundaries is there are so many different types, you can just choose the one to suit yourself, and your particular viewpoint.
The only area which has really been established is Toxteth Park, which is an historical area.

[Ged]

You mentioned Old Swan there wallasey, you'd be surprised even at that boundary, there was a discussion on here in the past surrounding where is 'Stanley' as in Stanley abbatoir, market, residents association, St. Annes church - Stanley. Many people merge Fairfield straight into Old Swan at L13.

There's an Everton sign down by toys r us - poppycock.

I know what you mean though about Gt Homer street confusion about whether it's Vauxhall or Everton, maybe that's the border too?

[lindylou]

It does . There is a sign saying Everton up by Belmont rd.

I think that's where L'pool 5 begins - - looking up towards town direction - - over to the right side of Breck rd (Oakfield side) is L5. but over to the left (Belmont side) is L6. or at least addresses in Belmont rd are L6 .. running towards Sheil?Kensington district which is still L6.

just to confuse matters - addresses down from Oakfield rd merge with both L4 & L6 - streets running down towards the direction of Walton Breck, Anfield rd.

to reply to my own post ..

.. I have just been on the bus along Breck rd and I looked at the street signs.

They are as I have said - all on one side L5, the other L6.

Strangely enough there is one lone L5 right in the middle of the L6 streets !

Agate st (by Iceland supermarket) is L5.

answer that one !!

[quincyg]

to reply to my own post ..

.. I have just been on the bus along Breck rd and I looked at the street signs.

They are as I have said - all on one side L5, the other L6.

Strangely enough there is one lone L5 right in the middle of the L6 streets !

Agate st (by Iceland supermarket) is L5.

answer that one !!

The Willow is another one.
from a late 1960's street map. the red line is the area boundary.
Agate St is to the right of the pointy bit at the bottom, the Willow is to the right again.

[lindylou]

Thanks Quincy.

[quincyg]

Thanks Quincy.

pleasure. some boundary's are even more strange than that one. streets are like fingers creeping into a neighbouring area.

[taffy]

pleasure. some boundary's are even more strange than that one. streets are like fingers creeping into a neighbouring area.

I prefer to use historical boundaries. Post code boundaries are simply for the convenience of Royal Mail and don't reflect historical boundaries though clearly there is some overlap. Everton was one of the historical townships surrounding Liverpool. It had defined boundaries which were usually originally field boundaries. Of course all this was lost when Everton was absorbed into Liverpool in the mid 1830s.

[taffy]

I've had a look at Davies's 1855 map of Liverpool which clearly shows the township boundaries of Everton. Essentially starting at Gt Homer St ( which was once called Boundary Lane) follow a line up opposite Boundary Street to Netherfield rd, then along Everton valley to Anfield Road cutting back to Walton Breck rd along Rockfield Rd, then along walton Breck Rd etc to Whitefield Rd. Along Whitefield rd to surprise, surprise Boundary Lane to West Derby Rd. Along West Derby Rd to Shaw Street, down Canterbury St, turn left at william Henry St and then right along Fox St and back to Gt Homer St.

This is approximately the old boundaries of Everton. There was some rounding off of field boundaries when streets such as Gt Homer St were laid out.

Hope this helps

[Ged]

Interesting Taffy. What area is given to what it now known as Vauxhall please?