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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    The Fly in the Loaf was originally a Kirklands bakery,part of a chain of bakery shops in Liverpool,hence the names Fly in the Loaf and Kirklands bar
    So the plot's history goes from - a Church - to Bakery - to a Bar.

    IOW: the breaking of bread; to the making of it...and then having a drink?




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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Hi Darren,so Samp was right! The "Fly in the Loaf" pub,used to be a general grocery store,with a "by Royal appointment" sign over the door! It then became "Kirklands" wine bar. The street parallel,is Maryland st,I think
    I remember it well, the name of the shop was "Kirkland Jennings", my first job in 1954 was on the next block, we used to go there for pies and cakes for lunch. It was a combination bakery, tea shop and store. You could eat there with waitress service. The bakery goods were excellent, about the best you could get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrenwhite100 View Post
    So the plot's history goes from - a Church - to Bakery - to a Bar.

    IOW: the breaking of bread; to the making of it...and then having a drink?

    For which you need plenty of dough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    For which you need plenty of dough.
    Ha ha, very true but...
    Half a loaf is better than non?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrenwhite100 View Post
    So the plot's history goes from - a Church - to Bakery - to a Bar.

    IOW: the breaking of bread; to the making of it...and then having a drink?

    AHAh! Could be the other way round though, "Having too much to drink, going off your 'loaf'! and ending up in church!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm NZ View Post
    AHAh! Could be the other way round though, "Having too much to drink, going off your 'loaf'! and ending up in church!!!!
    So that's how it works?

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    St. Philip's Church, Hardman St. [1816-1882]





    Jonathan Bennison's map of Liverpool [extract] 1835

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    According to my source, Atlantic House, now Hardman House was built on the site of the church in 1947 the Jewish Synagogue was Chaucers pub in the 1980s.

    St Philip's Church was one of three of Cragg's cast-iron churches, and was replaced by St Philip's in Sheil Road (built 1885-90).


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    Apologies to www.leverpoole.co.uk for publishing the Jonathan Bennison map 1835 image. I'll see if I can photgraph at the LRO, next visit.

    I've redone the St. Philip's [site of] map, as Hardman Street was no wider than Pilgram Street, back in 1835. That would place the Jewish Synagogue site patially over the current road.
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    The Jewish Synagogue later moved to Hope Place, this in turn closed and the building is now the home of the Unity Theatre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    The Fly in the Loaf was originally a Kirklands bakery,part of a chain of bakery shops in Liverpool,hence the names Fly in the Loaf and Kirklands bar
    Thanks GD,I knew it was something to do with food! The "By Royal Appointment" sign,is still there.Wonder why it went?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    According to my source, Atlantic House, now Hardman House was built on the site of the church in 1947 the Jewish Synagogue was Chaucers pub in the 1980s.
    And O'Connors Tavern before that.
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    Ah, O'Connor's. That was probably the first pub in town I got taken to as a green north-ender. A fat bloke was reciting poetry in there, I suspect it was Adrian Henry. I got offered a pound deal in the bogs but didn't know what it was. Such innocence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by knowhowe View Post
    Ah, O'Connor's. That was probably the first pub in town I got taken to as a green north-ender. A fat bloke was reciting poetry in there, I suspect it was Adrian Henry. I got offered a pound deal in the bogs but didn't know what it was. Such innocence...
    A great pub' in it's day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowhowe View Post
    Ah, O'Connor's. That was probably the first pub in town I got taken to as a green north-ender. A fat bloke was reciting poetry in there, I suspect it was Adrian Henry. I got offered a pound deal in the bogs but didn't know what it was. Such innocence...
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