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    Smile St Phillips church Hardman St

    Has anyone any info on this church, ie when it was demolished ?....allan


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    Quote Originally Posted by fiftyfive View Post
    Has anyone any info on this church, ie when it was demolished ?....allan
    It sounds familiar,but do you know whereabout, it actually was?

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    st philips ceased in 1882 chez.

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    St Phillip's Church, Hardman Street, viewed from St Lukes. St. Phillip's was on the same side as the Philharmonic pub.

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    Good pic' Darren,
    that looks roughly where the jobcentre was,which was demolished not so long ago,(90's?)and it's still vacant land!

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    It was higher up the Street than that. WSteve55

    It was on the block where the 'Fly in the Loaf' is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrenwhite100 View Post
    St Phillip's Church, Hardman Street, viewed from St Lukes. St. Phillip's was on the same side as the Philharmonic pub.
    Good one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samp View Post
    It was higher up the Street than that. WSteve55

    It was on the block where the 'Fly in the Loaf' is now.
    If so, you couldn't have that view from St.Lukes,which is at the bottom of the hill?

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    Not seen a picture of this old church before and can't find a reference to it in any of my old books. Very interesting though, thanks for posting it.

    Doesn't really look finished, does it? Like they got the nave done but never got around to a tower or spire...

    The gates and railings are quite reminiscient of St. Luke's across the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    If so, you couldn't have that view from St.Lukes,which is at the bottom of the hill?
    Sorry the 'view' was not exactly from St Luke's - that was me offering some general bearings to the picture.

    Hopefully this will clear it up. See where it says "Rodney Street" in large bold letters on the map. ie:

    R O D N E Y

    S T R E E T

    St Phillip's Church is located directly beneath the letter "E" in 'Rodney'. So that would site it between Baltimore Street, Hardman Street, South Hunter Street [looks like on A-Z]. There's another street parallel to Hardman Street which I wasn't able to read on the map. Interestingly there was a Jewish Synagogue on the opposite side of the road, to the church.



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    Hi Darren,so Samp was right! The "Fly in the Loaf" pub,used to be a general grocery store,with a "by Royal appointment" sign over the door! It then became "Kirklands" wine bar. The street parallel,is Maryland st,I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Hi Darren,so Samp was right! The "Fly in the Loaf" pub,used to be a general grocery store,with a "by Royal appointment" sign over the door! It then became "Kirklands" wine bar. The street parallel,is Maryland st,I think
    Hi Steve, that sounds about right. Maryland Street also rings a bell.
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    Doesn't really look finished, does it? Like they got the nave done but never got around to a tower or spire...
    Hi Knowhowe,

    King's College Chapel, Cambridge [1446?1531] could have been the inspiration? Also St. Anthony's Church, in Scotland road has a nave, but no tower. I don't think it's that uncommon to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Hi Darren,so Samp was right! The "Fly in the Loaf" pub,used to be a general grocery store,with a "by Royal appointment" sign over the door! It then became "Kirklands" wine bar. The street parallel,is Maryland st,I think
    The Fly in the Loaf was originally a Kirklands bakery,part of a chain of bakery shops in Liverpool,hence the names Fly in the Loaf and Kirklands bar
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrenwhite100 View Post
    Hi Knowhowe,

    King's College Chapel, Cambridge [1446?1531] could have been the inspiration? Also St. Anthony's Church, in Scotland road has a nave, but no tower. I don't think it's that uncommon to see.
    See also St Judes, Hardwick Street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    The Fly in the Loaf was originally a Kirklands bakery,part of a chain of bakery shops in Liverpool,hence the names Fly in the Loaf and Kirklands bar
    So the plot's history goes from - a Church - to Bakery - to a Bar.

    IOW: the breaking of bread; to the making of it...and then having a drink?


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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Hi Darren,so Samp was right! The "Fly in the Loaf" pub,used to be a general grocery store,with a "by Royal appointment" sign over the door! It then became "Kirklands" wine bar. The street parallel,is Maryland st,I think
    I remember it well, the name of the shop was "Kirkland Jennings", my first job in 1954 was on the next block, we used to go there for pies and cakes for lunch. It was a combination bakery, tea shop and store. You could eat there with waitress service. The bakery goods were excellent, about the best you could get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrenwhite100 View Post
    So the plot's history goes from - a Church - to Bakery - to a Bar.

    IOW: the breaking of bread; to the making of it...and then having a drink?

    For which you need plenty of dough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    For which you need plenty of dough.
    Ha ha, very true but...
    Half a loaf is better than non?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrenwhite100 View Post
    So the plot's history goes from - a Church - to Bakery - to a Bar.

    IOW: the breaking of bread; to the making of it...and then having a drink?

    AHAh! Could be the other way round though, "Having too much to drink, going off your 'loaf'! and ending up in church!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm NZ View Post
    AHAh! Could be the other way round though, "Having too much to drink, going off your 'loaf'! and ending up in church!!!!
    So that's how it works?

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    St. Philip's Church, Hardman St. [1816-1882]





    Jonathan Bennison's map of Liverpool [extract] 1835

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    According to my source, Atlantic House, now Hardman House was built on the site of the church in 1947 the Jewish Synagogue was Chaucers pub in the 1980s.

    St Philip's Church was one of three of Cragg's cast-iron churches, and was replaced by St Philip's in Sheil Road (built 1885-90).


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    Apologies to www.leverpoole.co.uk for publishing the Jonathan Bennison map 1835 image. I'll see if I can photgraph at the LRO, next visit.

    I've redone the St. Philip's [site of] map, as Hardman Street was no wider than Pilgram Street, back in 1835. That would place the Jewish Synagogue site patially over the current road.
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    The Jewish Synagogue later moved to Hope Place, this in turn closed and the building is now the home of the Unity Theatre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    The Fly in the Loaf was originally a Kirklands bakery,part of a chain of bakery shops in Liverpool,hence the names Fly in the Loaf and Kirklands bar
    Thanks GD,I knew it was something to do with food! The "By Royal Appointment" sign,is still there.Wonder why it went?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    According to my source, Atlantic House, now Hardman House was built on the site of the church in 1947 the Jewish Synagogue was Chaucers pub in the 1980s.
    And O'Connors Tavern before that.
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    Ah, O'Connor's. That was probably the first pub in town I got taken to as a green north-ender. A fat bloke was reciting poetry in there, I suspect it was Adrian Henry. I got offered a pound deal in the bogs but didn't know what it was. Such innocence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by knowhowe View Post
    Ah, O'Connor's. That was probably the first pub in town I got taken to as a green north-ender. A fat bloke was reciting poetry in there, I suspect it was Adrian Henry. I got offered a pound deal in the bogs but didn't know what it was. Such innocence...
    A great pub' in it's day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knowhowe View Post
    Ah, O'Connor's. That was probably the first pub in town I got taken to as a green north-ender. A fat bloke was reciting poetry in there, I suspect it was Adrian Henry. I got offered a pound deal in the bogs but didn't know what it was. Such innocence...
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