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    I got there a few weeks back, and it was a sad sight...



    I preferred it like this...



    It seems 'developer greed' has lots to answer for, and lots of interesting sites are getting levelled for yet more crappy 'apartments' (flats?!) and MET Quarter style feeding grounds for fashion victims. It's boring. And when Liverpool has so much history it's just shocking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    FAMILIES are set to win their battle to stop an historic Liverpool dock being filled with rubble.

    City planners today recommended the controversial plan for West Waterloo dock, opposed by dozens of residents, should be turned down by councillors.

    They said it would jeopardise the waterfront’s world heritage site status if the 172-year-old dock was wiped from the map.

    Residents were today preparing to celebrate saving the dock, which is just yards from the nearest apartment buildings.

    But rejection of the plan will leave a flagship Capital of Culture project – the new link between the Leeds-Liverpool canal and Albert dock – in doubt.

    A slight re-routing of the canal route was part of the British Waterways scheme earmarked for refusal by Liverpool council next week.

    It is unclear if British Waterways will press ahead with its £17m proposal, which would let barges sail through West Waterloo dock to the Pier Head.

    CONTINUES....
    There are some inaccuracies in this Liverpool Echo article:



    1. The Canal proposal was funded on the basis of West Waterloo Dock being
    left as it was.

    2. British Waterways, the developer, were asked by a 3rd party to fill the dock in. (I'll give you one guess who that might be)

    3. Not filling in West Waterloo Dock should make it easy for British Waterways to complete this scheme.
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    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


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    Default Web Site Update

    Web site updated:
    http://www.saveliverpooldocks.co.uk

    Go to new page from the Menu: Excavating in-Filled Waterspaces. Many other pages are updated.
    The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
    Save Liverpool Docks and Waterways - Click

    Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
    becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
    longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


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    Default Success!!!!

    The hearing for the in-filling of West Waterloo Dock was today. The dock will not be filled in. Success for now - until another dock filling proposal comes along.

    There is a lack of a cast-in-concrete strategy protecting the docks and water spaces and excavating in-filled docks. Once in place the city-on-water can take shape.

    Please continue making objections to UNESCO on the filling-in of Princes Half-Tide Dock, killing UNESCO protected marine life. These docks have been made into a shallow canalway only. No deep water ships can ever enter these docks, as they can at Albert Dock. They require excavating back to deep water with Trafalgar Dock being excavated, giving full deep water from the Victoria Tower to Princes Dock.

    The docks have been used as a lucrative dump for building materials. So please continue objecting to UNESCO. See the web site:
    http://www.saveliverpooldocks.co.uk
    Last edited by Waterways; 10-10-2006 at 04:27 PM.
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    Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
    becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
    longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


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    PRESENT:
    Councillor Lady Doreen Jones (Chairman);
    Councillors Karen Afford, Elaine Allen, Peter Allen, Violet Bebb, Dave
    Hanratty, Stephen Hurst, John McIntosh, Anna Rothery and Jean Seddon.

    Councillors Frank Doran, Joe Hanson, Pat Holleran, Richard Marbrow and
    Steve Radford also attended.

    There were no Ward Councillors in attendance during the pre-application
    visits.

    Apologies for absence were received from the Deputy Chairman (Councillor
    Dave Irving).

    158. Declarations of Interest
    Members and Officers were provided with an opportunity to declare a
    personal or prejudicial interest in any matter on the agenda and –

    (d) Councillor Lady Doreen Jones declared a personal and
    prejudicial interest by virtue of her residency at the location, in
    relation to Minute No. 159 (in so far as it relates to Trafalgar
    Dock and West Waterloo Dock, Liverpool 3) and Minute 162
    relating to Trafalgar Dock and West Waterloo Dock, Liverpool 3,
    vacated the room for the duration of those items and took no part
    in the consideration thereof;

    159. Pre-Application Visits
    The Committee undertook pre-application site visits relating to
    the following applications:

    (b) Application 06F/2292 in respect of Trafalgar Dock and West
    Waterloo Dock, Waterloo Road, Liverpool 3.
    Prior to the Committee undertaking the inspection in respect of (b)
    above, the Chairman (Councillor Lady Doreen Jones) declared a
    personal and prejudicial interest and did not attend the visit. In the
    absence of the Chair and Deputy Chair, Councillor Steve Hurst was
    appointed Chair for that part of the proceedings.

    163. Trafalgar Dock and West Waterloo Dock, Waterloo Road,
    Liverpool 3 (Kirkdale Ward)
    The Committee considered a recommendation that Application No.
    06F/2292 to carry out engineering works so as to narrow and re-align
    the Liverpool Canal Link through Trafalgar and West Waterloo Docks;
    to bridge the canal link at Trafalgar Dock and to backfill the remainder
    of West Waterloo Dock to 0.5 metres below quayside level, using
    suitable material arising from the construction of the canal channel
    (Resubmission of application 06F/1421 which was subsequently
    withdrawn) be refused for the reasons that the proposal would
    adversely impact on the historic integrity and setting of the adjoining
    Grade II listed Princes Half Tide Dock; would be detrimental to the
    visual amenity of the area; detrimental to the setting and views into and
    out of the Stanley Dock Conservation Area and the World Heritage Site;
    and would serve to irreversibly undermine the historic significance of
    this part of the Liverpool Dock System and World Heritage Site buffer
    zone, contrary to relevant guidance; together with significant levels of
    noise, dust and disturbance that would be detrimental to the living
    conditions and amenity of local resident which would be created as a
    result of the infilling operation.

    The Planning Manager reported that since publication of the agenda,
    the following additional representations had been received -

    (a) from the applicant addressing matters raised in the report, in
    support of the application; and

    (b) from Louise Ellman MP objecting to the application on the
    grounds of loss of historic amenity, detrimential to residential
    amenity and threat to marine wildlife.
    With the permission of the Committee, the applicant speaking in
    support of the application addressed the meeting and gave a
    presentation including visual images of the location.
    With the permission of the Committee, Councillor Joe Hanson together
    with seven members of the public objecting to the application
    addressed the meeting.

    Resolved that the recommendation of the Planning Manager to refuse
    the application be approved for the reasons set out
    , however the local
    planning authority would indicate its support (subject to proper
    consideration and consultation) for a further application that seeks
    permission for the revised route of the canal link through the already
    filled Trafalgar Dock as now proposed, but which does not seek
    permission for the infilling of the West Waterloo Dock.

    At this point in the proceedings, Councillor Steve Hurst vacated the
    Chair which was taken by Councillor Lady Doreen Jones for the
    remainder of the meeting.
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    Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
    becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
    longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


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    Joy as city dock plans are sunk
    Oct 11 2006
    By Greg O'Keeffe, Liverpool Echo



    CONTROVERSIAL plans to fill in an historic Liverpool dock have been rejected after protests from residents.

    British Waterways wanted to dump rubble into West Waterloo dock so a new piece of land could be created on the banks of the River Mersey.

    The plan was part of a last-minute change to the route of Liverpool's new £17m waterfront canal, a flagship 2008 scheme.

    But the city council planning committee yesterday refused to give British Waterway planning permission during a town hall meeting.

    Residents who had vowed to fight to save the picturesque dock, built in 1834, said they were delighted.

    Tony O'Leary, chairman of Waterloo Quay residents' association, said constant building work in the area has already taken a toll on residents' health and the proposed work would have worsened the situation.

    He said: "My wife has been to hospital on a number of occasions with health problems connected to living there.

    "We are not Luddites. We would be the first people to endorse the canal link coming through this area.

    "We are all strongly in favour of that and hope British Waterways can go back to the original planning permission, which they were granted, for the canal to rundirectly through the West Waterloo dock as it is without losing any water."

    The new waterfront canal, planned for two years, will link the Leeds-Liverpool canal with Albert Dock.

    British Waterways originally decided to route it through the middle of West Waterloo Dock, but then decided to shift it several metres inland through a new channel.

    After the meeting, British Waterways spokesman Martin Clarke would not rule out an appeal against the council's decision.

    He said: "We are confident that the canal link will go ahead, but we will have to review our options now.

    We believe that the grounds for refusal were not met and we maintain that West Waterloo Dock is not a world heritage or conservation site and contains no listed buildings.

    "This site is considered vital for wider regeneration and attracting investment to north Liverpool."

    Source: icLiverpool

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    I'd sooner the canal link was cancelled than see one of our historic docks filled in,John's right it's all down to pure greed these docks are our biggest asset so we must build our waterfront city around them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    After the meeting,

    British Waterways spokesman Martin Clarke would not rule out an appeal against the council's decision.

    He said: "We are confident that the canal link

    will go ahead, but we will have to review our options now.

    We believe that the grounds for refusal were not met and we maintain that West Waterloo

    Dock is not a world heritage or conservation site and contains no listed buildings.
    West Waterloo is inside the Buffer Zone. The buffer

    zone has conditions. These people should read the UNESCO agreement, which says..

    "Many of the former docks survive to the form of now

    redundant water bodies. These are an important aspect of the Site's significance and character and their conservation and use requires consideration within

    future sustainable regeneration schemes."


    That is clear that the docks water spaces are kept intact.

    "4.17.4 Docks

    with standing water in the site and Buffer Zone support a range of marine life and habitats. Of particular note are the colonies of marine life attached to

    the dock walls and other structures. In the Mersey itself, these colonies tend not to have become established as the high silt load of the river suffocates

    the organisms. The docks are therefore an important habitat."


    It is clear that the docks cannot be touched because of the marine life, even in

    the buffer zone.

    "2.5.9 policy ER3 - Built Heritage states that: "Planning authorities and other agencies in their plans, policies and

    proposals will identify, protect, conserve and, where appropriate, enhance the built heritage of the region"


    The planning people must make

    sure "protect, conserve and, where appropriate, enhance the built heritage of the region". It clearly says that above.

    I wish

    the likes of British Waterways would piss off and run some 3 foot deep canal around Birmingham. They are out of their depth in deep water Liverpool.



    If the SS Manxman was eventually restored, they wanted to berth her in Princes Half-Tide or Princes Docks. They are now glorified duck ponds, so

    that is out. British Waterways/Peel should be made to deepen those docks to their original depth.
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    longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


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    Default UNESCO make a visit.

    UNESCO officials are to visit the area between the 18th and 20th October 2006 to assess

    violations of World Heritage Status Agreement.
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    Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
    becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
    longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
    tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


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