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    LFC have been granted planning permission for their stadium in Stanley Park. They desperately need a high throughput Merseyrail station. Hence the adjacent, well not that near, Canada Dock Branch Line being considered for Merseyrail. EFC at Kirkby need the Kirkby station, which is not on the doorstep, enlarging to give a high throughput.

    There is no joined up thinking. It would be best to have a station under the two stadia to allow fans to access the stands directly. This is what happens at the Amsterdam Arena, home of Ajax.


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    But closer to home, and opposite me, Lords Cricket ground are proposing the same. The ground consists of the main cricket ground and right next to it is the Nursery end, which was used for practising. Named so because it was a nursery at one time. Tunnels using the cut and cover method were run under the Nursery end for access to Marylebone station in the 1890s. One one tunnel serves Marylebone station while the other two were for storingh trains. and are now disused. They propose using the through tunnel as a station for direct access to the stands and the other two for a gym, sports injuries treatment, or whatever.
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    Below the three tunnels under the Nursery end, being built. Lords only own the top 18" of land and can't put large buildings up. Now they can as they have bought two of the tunnels.


    Integrated stations is what LFC and EFC should be made to incorporate into their stadia. It all makes so much sense. A high throughput rapid transit rail link must be a precursor for a new stadium. No link. No Stadium.
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    How about the Cherry Lane line. Would do away with the away fans being escorted all the way down Kirkdale road and Scotland Road to Limey. You could even put a branch line in from what is already and extensively in place.
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    How about the Cherry Lane line. Would do away with the away fans being escorted all the way down Kirkdale road and Scotland Road to Limey. You could even put a branch line in from what is already and extensively in place.
    Ged, that is the Canada Dock Branch Line which is used for freight and the only line left into the docks. There is talk is introducing another, where from I don't know. Look at this: Extending Merseyrail

    A branch off the Canada Dock Line using heavy-rail Merseyrail trains would be a long sweeping curve. Light-rail trains, like London's Docklands, can negotiate tight curves making extension to Merseyrail more suitable.



    Light-rail trains can be strung together to long lengths and turn tight curves. Merseyrail rolling stock is due for replacement in around 4 years. Light or medium rail trains should be bought replacing the legacy and expensive to buy and run existing heavy-rail trains.

    It is possible to tunnel off Canada Dock Branch and up Utting Avenue using cut and cover tunnelling. This would be ideal and it maybe it could extend further and right into the unserved Scotland Rd districts and onto the Northern Line at a convenient point. There is enough open land between Stanley Park and the Loop, which would mean cheap cut and cover tunnelling at lot of the way and down the Kingsway approach Rd to the Northern Line.

    Kirkby is easier to solve. Redirect the line to the stadium or re-locate the stadium to the line Best to relocate the line and get it nearer the centre of Kirkby. The line also goes to Wigan and onto Manchester.

    The great thing about Kirkby is that specials can be run from Manchester direct to the stadium.

    I prefer Walton Hall Park or Long Lane Industrial Estate for EFC. There is a disused tunnel from Kirkdale to the Rice Lane flyover. The tunnel is still run under the flyover junction as the lines were only lifted in 1975. Skirting the park the track beds of the old curves are still there - look at Google they are clear. This connects onto the outer loop line trackbed that goes to West Derby/Broad Green/Childwall/Gatacre/Hunts Cross/South Parkway. Merseyrail can then go back to the centre via Kirkdale and the other way onto South Parkway for the London line and the Manchester line. A station may be built at Rice Lane or anywhere in one of the tunnel cuttings.

    Th red is the disused tunnel from Kirkdale station (bottom left) to the Rice Lane Flyover. An Everton stadium can be just over the junction in Walton Hall Park. The white dotted lines are the old trackbeds and lead off to bottom right is the outer loop line that goes to West Derby and then onto South Parkway. It can form a complete loop via the city centre.

    The Outer Loop can branch onto the Kirkby line and an EFC stadium built at Long Lane Industrial estate as the council suggested. Two birds killed with one stone.


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    The disused tunnel:
    http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...n_on_the_hill/


    The Outer Loop Line's Bridges are still in Place

    There is no joined up thinking. All is there waiting for someone to think it all together. Merseyside has a high throughput rapid transit rail system,. No stadium should be be given planning permission unless they build as a part of the stadium, or just nearby, a Merseyrail station. It is madness not too!!!!!
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    Are you sure there is a disused tunnel from Kirkdale to Rice Lane flyover, what would it have previously served? The exisiting tunnel/line from Kirkdale to the next station at Walton/Rice lane (depending on whether your destination is Kirkby or Ormskirk seems to run close enough to Walton Hall Park anyway or as I say, a branch off the Cherry Lane/Canada dock branch line would suffice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Are you sure there is a disused tunnel from Kirkdale to Rice Lane flyover, what would it have previously served? The exisiting tunnel/line from Kirkdale to the next station at Walton/Rice lane (depending on whether your destination is Kirkby or Ormskirk seems to run close enough to Walton Hall Park anyway or as I say, a branch off the Cherry Lane/Canada dock branch line would suffice.
    Ged there is a tunnel. I have added a map below. The subbrit site I linked to also shows the tunnel. Reusing this tunnel would also get the outer loop up and running. A station can be under the stadium and keep fans away from residents (I live next to a major sports venue and know what it is like. The residents are forming an action committee to prevent further expansion). This rail line is one way to Liverpool centre the other to South Parkway and major connections to London/Mcr, etc. The trackbeds are still there. A win, win as the major Queens Drive is there and easy roads out to the M57/M62.

    A line needs to be a through line not a branch line terminus, as it can be used on non-matchdays by the community and Norris Green, West Derby, Gatacre, etc are on Merseyrail too.

    Any "nearby" station is small and will not have the throughput to cope with a large stadium. With a station in the stadium a park and ride can be at many Merseyrail stations. When thinking of Merseyrail, think of London's Tube. I find people in Liverpool do not value this superb rapid transit system they have, and think of roads and buses first.
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    If Tesco go along with a move to Walton Hall Park, they will be sandwiched between an ASDA and a Sainsburys.
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