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    A DAZZLING sail-shaped skyscraper would be an "interesting design in the wrong place and at the wrong time", a public inquiry heard.

    Developer Maro wants to construct a 51-floor tower at Brunswick Quay, on the edge of Liverpool city centre.

    The firm claims the building - home to a hotel, flats and offices - would be a positive and breathtaking addition to the waterfront.

    But Liverpool council, which has twice blocked the plan, yesterday said Brunswick Quay does not need a tall building - and should be used as a workplace.

    The site was previously home to a small business centre, set up after the Toxteth riots, which has been gradually emptied over the past few months and is now shut.

    Paul Tucker, representing the council, said: "There are good reasons why the building is in the wrong place and is being proposed at the wrong time.

    "This location does not warrant a tall building of the type proposed - or at all.

    "Stand towards the end of Northumberland Street, look west and ask whether open space, shops and a boutique hotel will really promote integration of the dock with Toxteth and Dingle."

    Mr Tucker said the council would liketo see the small business centre reopened.

    He added: "This was a comparatively successful employment generator, which brought together a number of different features to benefit the local area.

    "The effect of granting planning permission would be the irrevocable loss of that resource."

    But Christopher Katkowski QC, representing Maro, said the £100m tower would hugely improve this part of the city centre.



    He said: "The proposal would make a positive and breathtaking contribution to the skyline, waterfront, and the immediate locality.

    "It seems obvious that the location and setting would be enhanced, and significantly so, with the proposals in place.

    "The proposals should produce more benefits than costs to the lives of those affected."

    The public inquiry is due to last for three weeks before a final recommendation on the plan is sent to the government.

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    LIVERPOOL should welcome plans for the city's tallest skyscraper because the quality of other new developments in the city is too low, a public inquiry heard yesterday. more

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    MORE SKY SCRAPERS!

    I would like to see the view of the city from a higher building.

    Tallest building I've been up in Liverpool was the anglican cathedral.

    In Paris you get a good view of Paris from the Eifel Tower.
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    I'd love this to happen but I'm not very confident it will happen going on previous decisions,I want to be proved wrong.

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    Why would anyone want to reject such a proposal?

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    Only God knows what these people are thinking?

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    The Governmnet planning inspectors report and Ruth Kelly's report:
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    Go to the Brunswick Quay page. Under Links in the centre yellow section

    The inspector was diplomatically critical of the silly Liverpool Council, while praising the scheme on all points. He did not see the tower obscuring views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Why would anyone want to reject such a proposal


    Not only is the tower stunning but the public realm part of the scheme looks great too.

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    Seems to me that calling it an us and them mentality is a load of nonsense. Its beautiful and is the first sign of Liverpool's rejunevation/ renaissance before you get to Paradise Street. The alternative? Keep the area as it is for the forseable future - for what, why? It doesnt make sense.

    Imagine going to Manchester and Leeds with a development like this and them turning it away - it wouldn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Seems to me that calling it an us and them mentality is a load of nonsense. Its beautiful and is the first sign of Liverpool's rejunevation/ renaissance before you get to Paradise Street. The alternative? Keep the area as it is for the forseable future - for what, why? It doesnt make sense.

    Imagine going to Manchester and Leeds with a development like this and them turning it away - it wouldn't happen.
    It's a sort of weird working class snobbery when you think about it. Not really from the residents, but the local politicians who feel the political demography of the area could alter, meaning they may find themselves voted out come election time. This ideaology seems to call for a type of strict class segregation, when it comes to neighbourhoods. Question is, do we want Liverpool to be like this?
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    Why they are spouting off about the unsuitability of it in such an area when the nearest terraced housing must be a fair distance away, 1/2 mile or so?
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    How tall will this Sky Scraper be?

    Rode past the Unity and it's not that tall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    How tall will this Sky Scraper be?

    Rode past the Unity and it's not that tall.
    Quite right Max, Brunswick is 166.25 metres tall whereas Unity is 90.60 metres tall.

    Almost twice as high
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    It'll be a sad day for Liverpool if they reject this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D
    It'll be a sad day for Liverpool if they reject this one.
    If they do, the Council should be ashamed of themselves . However, I have a strange feeling it will be good news this time around .
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