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    A DAZZLING sail-shaped skyscraper would be an "interesting design in the wrong place and at the wrong time", a public inquiry heard.

    Developer Maro wants to construct a 51-floor tower at Brunswick Quay, on the edge of Liverpool city centre.

    The firm claims the building - home to a hotel, flats and offices - would be a positive and breathtaking addition to the waterfront.

    But Liverpool council, which has twice blocked the plan, yesterday said Brunswick Quay does not need a tall building - and should be used as a workplace.

    The site was previously home to a small business centre, set up after the Toxteth riots, which has been gradually emptied over the past few months and is now shut.

    Paul Tucker, representing the council, said: "There are good reasons why the building is in the wrong place and is being proposed at the wrong time.

    "This location does not warrant a tall building of the type proposed - or at all.

    "Stand towards the end of Northumberland Street, look west and ask whether open space, shops and a boutique hotel will really promote integration of the dock with Toxteth and Dingle."

    Mr Tucker said the council would liketo see the small business centre reopened.

    He added: "This was a comparatively successful employment generator, which brought together a number of different features to benefit the local area.

    "The effect of granting planning permission would be the irrevocable loss of that resource."

    But Christopher Katkowski QC, representing Maro, said the 100m tower would hugely improve this part of the city centre.

    He said: "The proposal would make a positive and breathtaking contribution to the skyline, waterfront, and the immediate locality.

    "It seems obvious that the location and setting would be enhanced, and significantly so, with the proposals in place.

    "The proposals should produce more benefits than costs to the lives of those affected."

    The public inquiry is due to last for three weeks before a final recommendation on the plan is sent to the government.


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    LIVERPOOL should welcome plans for the city's tallest skyscraper because the quality of other new developments in the city is too low, a public inquiry heard yesterday. more

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    MORE SKY SCRAPERS!

    I would like to see the view of the city from a higher building.

    Tallest building I've been up in Liverpool was the anglican cathedral.

    In Paris you get a good view of Paris from the Eifel Tower.
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    I'd love this to happen but I'm not very confident it will happen going on previous decisions,I want to be proved wrong.

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    Why would anyone want to reject such a proposal?

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    Only God knows what these people are thinking?

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    A SKYSCRAPER at Liverpool's Brunswick Quay would create a "them and us" mentality, a public inquiry heard.

    Paul Tucker, a lawyer for Liverpool Council, claimed plans for a 51-storey building on the city's waterfront were in the "wrong place at the wrong time".

    Mr Tucker insisted the city should not be seduced by promises of regeneration and investment.

    He told the final day of a public inquiry into the development: "It is not lightly that the city seeks to resist a development which would make something of a statement about the future of Liverpool.

    "However, the concern about the building is not that such a building might not add beneficially to the skyline of Liverpool, but not in this place and not at this time.

    "The point is best illustrated by asking the question as to whether those living to the east of Sefton Street, with a view of the looming mass of the building permanently in their field of view, would consider that the 'them and us' mentality is being reinforced or being eroded.

    "It is the planning of wonderland to suggest that the effect will be to promote social inclusion and integration of the existing population in the way envisaged."

    Yesterday was the final day of a public inquiry into the proposed building after developers Maro appealed a Liverpool City Council decision to reject the skyscraper.

    The site was previously home to a small business centre, set up after the Toxteth riots, which has been gradually emptied over the past few months and is now shut.

    The firm claims the building, which would include a hotel, flats and offices, would be a positive and breathtaking addition to the waterfront.

    Christopher Katkowski QC, representing Maro, said the 120m tower would hugely improve this part of the city centre. He said: "Liverpool has lagged behind its fellow 'regional pole' Manchester in delivering regeneration.

    "There are promising signs that Liverpool is going through an upturn in regeneration activity but there is no room for complacency. Significant investment should not be turned away lightly.

    "Enter Maro with a 120m investment in a remarkable scheme that even the 'Save Our City' group, an opponent, acknowledges would be beautiful and elegant and should not be lost to Liverpool.

    "The proposals would set a new and high standard for contemporary architecture in Liverpool whilst improving the housing stock close to the city centre.

    "Not only do English Heritage (EH) not oppose the appeal proposals in relation to their effect on the city's heritage, EH has been fulsome in its praise of the quality of design of the schemes.

    "Then there are the reasons for refusal that can only be described as dour and depressing in their limited horizons.

    "It is said that the proposals - for the finest and most remarkable contemporary scheme in Liverpool with 120m of investment at stake - should be turned away in order to retain a shabby and tired, cheap and basic, employment building, all against the background that Liverpool is awash with a vast supply of employment land.

    "Liverpool stands to gain a great deal from these schemes and little if anything from turning them away."

    The public inquiry is not set to make a ruling until September at the earliest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Why would anyone want to reject such a proposal


    Not only is the tower stunning but the public realm part of the scheme looks great too.

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    Seems to me that calling it an us and them mentality is a load of nonsense. Its beautiful and is the first sign of Liverpool's rejunevation/ renaissance before you get to Paradise Street. The alternative? Keep the area as it is for the forseable future - for what, why? It doesnt make sense.

    Imagine going to Manchester and Leeds with a development like this and them turning it away - it wouldn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Seems to me that calling it an us and them mentality is a load of nonsense. Its beautiful and is the first sign of Liverpool's rejunevation/ renaissance before you get to Paradise Street. The alternative? Keep the area as it is for the forseable future - for what, why? It doesnt make sense.

    Imagine going to Manchester and Leeds with a development like this and them turning it away - it wouldn't happen.
    It's a sort of weird working class snobbery when you think about it. Not really from the residents, but the local politicians who feel the political demography of the area could alter, meaning they may find themselves voted out come election time. This ideaology seems to call for a type of strict class segregation, when it comes to neighbourhoods. Question is, do we want Liverpool to be like this?
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    Why they are spouting off about the unsuitability of it in such an area when the nearest terraced housing must be a fair distance away, 1/2 mile or so?
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    How tall will this Sky Scraper be?

    Rode past the Unity and it's not that tall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    How tall will this Sky Scraper be?

    Rode past the Unity and it's not that tall.
    Quite right Max, Brunswick is 166.25 metres tall whereas Unity is 90.60 metres tall.

    Almost twice as high
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    It'll be a sad day for Liverpool if they reject this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D
    It'll be a sad day for Liverpool if they reject this one.
    If they do, the Council should be ashamed of themselves . However, I have a strange feeling it will be good news this time around .
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    I'm scared to think like that knowing how these things tend to always get rejected,over the years so many promises have never materialised.

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    545 Feet tall will be the Brunswick one then Kev.

    Not bad, the average height I guess.

    The BT Tower in London is 600 odd feet.

    I'd like a thousand odd feet one though like in America and in places like China though one day.

    Will have to go to Shanghai before it sinks!

    Eifel Tower is 990 feet which I went up in 2003.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Seems to me that calling it an us and them mentality is a load of nonsense.
    Of course it is and I suspect they know it but there is no one to take them to task, only the developer. I wouldn't mind starting a ginger group to take these people to task whenever they spout this type of ****e.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Quite right Max, Brunswick is 166.25 metres tall whereas Unity is 90.60 metres tall.

    Almost twice as high
    Height is limited due to airport aircraft access,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways
    Height is limited due to airport aircraft access,
    Height being limited due to airport aircraft access always makes me laugh that, how many easy jets do you know that fly over Brunswick that low?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Height being limited due to airport aircraft access always makes me laugh that, how many easy jets do you know that fly over Brunswick that low?
    In fog they may. A plane smacked into the side of the Empire State in NY. The chances of just hitting that building with all that space around is what? But it did.

    They work out angles from the runway, height, etc.

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    That was decades ago John. It wasn't a jet plane, probably didn't have radar at the time, and the part of the ESB it wholloped was twice the height of Brunswick Quay. It'll have lights on the top as a precaution for single manned aircraft and microlights, but that should suffice I reckon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways
    In fog they may. A plane smacked into the side of the Empire State in NY. The chances of just hitting that building with all that space around is what? But it did.

    They work out angles from the runway, height, etc.
    Not very likely though, is it? And, hey ho, sometimes accidents just happen. After all, when the Air France concorde tragically crashed at Paris Airport, it crashed into a low rise hotel and killed people in that building, as well as the passengers. Planes that are crashing don't discriminate about the type of building they crash on, although pilots still in control seem to try to steer away from things like schools and into fields, or so you read. Of course, at Schiphol that didn't happen, but it's so densely built up, that is maybe harder to do, and they were crashing at night. The whole area smelt of perfume and death, as the plane was carrying tons of French perfume amongst its freight apparantly.

    I have only ever panicked once a plane, with a conviction that we had just about run out of fuel with about ten miles to go - and that was going to LJLA when it was still called Speke Airport. I was comforted by the thought that if the pilot felt unable to continue the last bit, he could probably put down reasonably safely by slowing down and sliding into the mudflats of the inner estuary. Now probably it would have been be a disaster, the plane would break up and we would all have drowned (all ten of us - it was the old British Midland service from Heathrow, which was hardly a success), in two feet of mud, which would no doubt catch fire and become a sort of burning ungent. But, generally, I think there are lots of places around Speke where a plane in trouble can get down safely. And, as Bunny points out, the building will have lights on it.

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    Surely a plane wouldn't be that low yet when by Brunswick quay?
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    Stranger things have happened Max. Planes have over/undershot the runway numerous times. You'd be surprised how many aircraft are covered by the shifting river silts..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpolitan
    Not very likely though, is it?
    But likely.

    And, hey ho, sometimes accidents just happen. After all, when the Air France concorde tragically crashed at Paris Airport, it crashed into a low rise hotel and killed people in that building, as well as the passengers. Planes that are crashing don't discriminate about the type of building they crash on,
    I worked in aviation. I concluded nothing but flat land, or water, should be at the beginning or ends of runways not even elevated runways lights. Never a hotel; not even to the side. Why? Because a plane might drop on it. Like it is not good to have a play area for 3 year olds on the pavement of a duel carriageway.

    And, as Bunny points out, the building will have lights on it.
    Which are not any use in fog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways
    But likely.



    I worked in aviation. I concluded nothing but flat land, or water, should be at the beginning or ends of runways not even elevated runways lights. Never a hotel; not even to the side. Why? Because a plane might drop on it. Like it is not good to have a play area for 3 year olds on the pavement of a duel carriageway.



    Which are not any use in fog.
    Maybe they have fog lights on them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    Maybe they have fog lights on them too.
    Fog lights that shine through the fog? Never seen any.

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    What field of aviation were you involved in? An interest of mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazzacat
    What field of aviation were you involved in? An interest of mine
    Intrument Landing systems (ILS). The equipment on the ground that guides and lands the planes. A long time ago now.

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