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    Roll on Kirby. The sooner the move in the better.
    Yes I agree roll on Kirkby both clubs are too big for a shared stadium,that's small time thinking IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
    Yes I agree roll on Kirkby both clubs are too big for a shared stadium,that's small time thinking IMO.
    Just the opposite, I think, Paul. Retaining two stadiums seems provincial and small minded to me. But you might be right that Cannon is offbase and the Dubai investors might not make a shared stadium a criterion for investing in Liverpool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul D View Post
    Yes I agree roll on Kirkby both clubs are too big for a shared stadium,that's small time thinking IMO.
    The Stanley Park project only received planning permission on the basis of LFC having sole use. If it was shared, the whole process would have to be gone through again.

    LFC's standpoint is that they want to own any stadium they play in, although I dont think EFC can afford to be so choosy. EFC could theoretically rent a ground from LFC every fortnight, but I can't see their pride allowing that to happen. Although a LFC takeover is imminent, I'd be amazed if they went back to the drawing board over plans. Parry and Moores have been seeking the right deal for years, Stanley Park is dubbed the Parrybowl by some LFC fans who think he's been pursuing that to the detriment of team development. He wants to see that happen and I cant see him finally allowing the club to be sold to someone who'd relocate away from Anfield.

    With respect to Tom Cannon and his inistence that LFC and EFC groundshare, why is it only in Merseyside where this is being advoacated. Are we not big or important enough to have more than one world class stadium. North London alone will have three when the olympic stadium is built and thats before Spurs expand. Manchester has two, Glasgow has three, Tyne and Wear has two, Cardiff will have two if Cardiff City go ahead with expansion.

    Whats good enough for other connurbations is good enough for us if the clubs can finance matters.

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    Lets think a mo'.

    What other clubs in the English leagues share a history like Everton and Liverpool?

    The two areas most representative of the clubs lay in the north end of Liverpool. But suddenly its ok to situate the club miles outside the city of Liverpool!!?

    If we had built a 'Mersey Stadium' on the Riverside, would it mean these clubs would have had to merge, because they had a shared stadium and had lost their distinct identities?

    I think all grounds have an away and a home end. We could have done away with that bos, and had a Everton end and a Liverpool end at the Mersey stadium. We had an opportunity to lead the way in these islands, but instead we chose to reinforce the differences, differences of a type which still affect clubs like Celtic and Rangers to this day.


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    They will never share a stadium. Liverpool's new stadium has the go-ahead and could start construction as early as spring next year. Everton's new stadium virtually has the go-ahead and frankly, we don't want to share a stadium. It is not an option.

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    Everton stadium plans submitted

    Initial proposals for a new Everton Football club stadium have been submitted to a Merseyside Council.
    The club plans to build a 55,000-seater ground in a development that will also include high street shops, a hotel and a Tesco supermarket.

    Its preferred site is in Kirkby town centre, off Cherryfield Drive.

    Knowsley Council has pledged that the public and local business will be closely involved with the planning process as it progresses.

    Everton FC said an alternative to Goodison Park would increase capacity and improve corporate facilities.

    The club's last plan to relocate to a 55,000-seater waterfront stadium at King's Dock, Liverpool, was abandoned in 2003.

    Councillor Eddie Connor said the plans were at a very early stage.

    "There is a lot of work to be done before any initial ideas are formed into something more definite," he said.

    "We will be asking residents to help us shape the plan in order to give them something that will bring real and long term benefits to their town."

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    Did Bill Kenright design it while drunk?

    They missed a big chance with the Kings Dock scheme, mind if that had been 70,000 plus rather than 50,000 would have preferred Liverpool to move there (biased as if) as plenty more decent pubs there than the ones around either current grounds.

    All for the sake of 30 million out of what would have been a 300 million scheme. Stupidity at its best againgst our blue cousins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_hall View Post
    All for the sake of 30 million out of what would have been a 300 million scheme. Stupidity at its best againgst our blue cousins.
    It would seem that way but, neither Everton Football Club or it's major shareholder, Bill Kenwright had that kind of money at that time. It sounds a paltry sum but if you don't have it or the means (leverage) of getting it then you are screwed. Peter Johnson left Everton in extreme financial difficulties. He leveraged the club to the hilt and left the new owner with very little to work with. I am sad that the club may leave the city of it's birth but, am also resigned to the fact that every modern club needs a benefactor, or two, and just glad that Everton's benefactor is also an Evertonian to boot.
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    Can't remember the name of one of your board, but he had more than enough to cover the 10% stake but didn't get on with Kenwright.

    It will be a pity if they do move out of the city but it will give me hours of fun taking the piss out of numerous old mates

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_hall View Post
    Can't remember the name of one of your board, but he had more than enough to cover the 10% stake but didn't get on with Kenwright.
    But he, Paul Gregg, refused to lend Everton the money. Nothing new in this, it's business. You can't, or shouldn't, use a businessman's lack of investments to ridicule the followers of a team. That's like ridiculing employees when they lose their job because the owner can't, or won't, advance the funds to keep the concern open. And just what kind of input do any fans have to their clubs today? Everton is probably better off, financially today than most Premiership clubs and it's still in Liverpool hands. It is not as successful on the field as Manchester United or Chelsea but it isn't in as much debt as either of those clubs. And football being a cyclical kind of thing I'm sure that one day both Manchester United and Chelsea will fall from their lofty heights and some other clubs will be in the ascendancy. That's not just the way of football, it's the way of the world. Amen!
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    We can only hope mate.

    Aye i know that its a business world, but it was a massive missed oppurtunity at the price, especially with the costs associated with new grounds even at that time. Kenwright should have pulled in some favours as he knows a few people with cash.

    Still time will tell, not sure if i agree with Everton fans trying to scare the locals in Kirkby today by saying they'll be trouble and showing them footage of the kickoffs with Man u fans. Afterall it is only once aseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_hall View Post
    Aye i know that its a business world, but it was a massive missed oppurtunity at the price.
    No, not really, if the money, even though a "paltry" sum, was not available then the opportunity wasn't there and, Everton did ask for time so it could try and raise the funds but Liverpool City Council, Liverpool Vision and the Northwest Developement Agency refused to allow any further time. Contrast that to the time permitted for the other club to get it's financing in order. Also, Everton had been mismanaged both on and off the field. On the field by an inept manager and off the field by a supporter of another club who enriched himself on Everton's assets. The Everton fans, every bit as loyal as those who support rich foreign owned clubs like Manchester United and Chelsea, are the losers, big time and it looks very much like the City of Liverpool will also be a loser by losing, probably the oldest, icon of local business from the city landscape. This, in some quarters, might be seen as a reason to gloat but, has nothing to do with football. Everton, like other clubs, went through a very dark period, with relegation a real possibility each and every season for a very long time. Luckier than some clubs who actually got relegated from the top flight and wandered, rudderless, for years in the netherlands of English football, Everton were lucky to maintain their top flight status. That period is, hopefully, behind the club.

    When I was a child, teenager and young man our rivalry (Blue & Red) was about football players; Lello, Buckle, Farrell, Labone, Young as opposed to Balmer, Liddle, Stubbins, Yeats, St John, whereas today it is dirty sly digs at everything other than football. Everything is fair game to some, managers, owners, shareholders, wives, children, mothers, brothers, sisters as well as the players themselves. And some fans think they are the worlds best and no other fans have equal fervour, all a delusion I'm afraid. Each team in each sport has fanatics (were the word fan comes from), for example, I have a neighbour who takes his vacation every spring just so as he can travel to Florida to watch his beloved Blue Jays in their spring training camp in Dunedin, FL. then attends every home game and as many away games as he can get to. His devotion to his team is equal to any Manchester United, Chelsea or Everton fan I have met.

    I know there is no going back and I think it was Thomas Wolfe who said you can never go home but, I still wish for a return to civility, if not in football as a whole, then definitely in my home town. Wishful thinking, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_hall View Post
    Still time will tell, not sure if i agree with Everton fans trying to scare the locals in Kirkby today by saying they'll be trouble and showing them footage of the kickoffs with Man u fans. Afterall it is only once aseason.
    Are you saying there wouldn't be trouble or is that just an oppinion? And afterall, "once a season" can be more than enough if you, or a loved one, is in the wrong place at the wrong time. And it is a possible factor that needs to be considered if one is to make an educated assesment of risks and rewards involved. I doubt that niether Knowsley Council, Tesco or Everton Football Club would bring up the subject but, it is a valid factor that has to be considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Are you saying there wouldn't be trouble or is that just an oppinion? And afterall, "once a season" can be more than enough if you, or a loved one, is in the wrong place at the wrong time. And it is a possible factor that needs to be considered if one is to make an educated assesment of risks and rewards involved. I doubt that niether Knowsley Council, Tesco or Everton Football Club would bring up the subject but, it is a valid factor that has to be considered.
    No i'm not saying there wouldn't be trouble, but they seem to have suggested it will happen, so if a new plot is found in the city will they then say the same again. I very much doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_hall View Post
    No i'm not saying there wouldn't be trouble, but they seem to have suggested it will happen, so if a new plot is found in the city will they then say the same again. I very much doubt it.
    Politics!!!! And don't all advocates publish only what they want you to know? Is this somehow unique to Everton fans? Do you blame them for manouvering for position? I'm positive every other group would do the same, I'm also sure that none of the other parties will fail to point out what they think are the positives of moving to Kirkby and, will certainly broadcast the negatives of staying in Walton. You wouldn't be so naive as to think they wouldn't, would you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_hall View Post
    not sure if i agree with Everton fans trying to scare the locals in Kirkby today by saying they'll be trouble and showing them footage of the kickoffs with Man u fans. Afterall it is only once aseason.
    Alfie Hinks, the person responsible for the dissemination of the above footage, has apologised, unreservedly, and tended his resignation to the group he chairs.

    Nice to see that some people can still accept responsibility for their actions and, if it offends, apologise. Really refreshing.
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    I've said this before. I don't know why in this day and age, and certainly with the rail infrastructure we already have in place at either Walton or Kirkby, why fans need to be marched a few miles into town in near darkness (in the winter months) at all?
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    So is this where our transfer fund for the summer is going on a bloomin new stadium? bah humbug. no good having a nice new stadium if the team is only half good. C`mon build the team first.

    How much TV money did we get for this season? and dont Man utd still owe us Rooney money? call in the debt.

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    Well the Kirkby land is supposed to be a freeby, that's why the locals are up in arms, but that's the incentive offered by Knowsley council to come there.

    The stadium is then supposed to be funded by Mr Leahy and Wyness - Tesco/EFC board with none of the on pitch finances being touched.

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    The whole thing stinks, most of all Liverpool City Council's part in this debacle.
    What other city would let one of its oldest businesses. one that employs hundreds of people, with a knock on effect for dozens of other businesses and a turnover of hundreds of millions of pounds just disappear over the horizon?
    Obviously the worst performing city in Britain and the reason for that is cases like this. Disgraceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    The whole thing stinks, most of all Liverpool City Council's part in this debacle.
    What other city would let one of its oldest businesses. one that employs hundreds of people, with a knock on effect for dozens of other businesses and a turnover of hundreds of millions of pounds just disappear over the horizon?
    Obviously the worst performing city in Britain and the reason for that is cases like this. Disgraceful.
    The fact is although it wouldn't actually be in Liverpool City, it will still be in the Liverpool City Region which areas like knowsley are soon to come under. To say that Liverpool is the worst performing city is wrong. It is actually the best performing city but we had to start from a lower level than everywhere else, so it will take us longer to reach our full potential.

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    The images for Evertons new stadium are to be released on Friday at 10.00 am on this website.

    http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archiv...on-friday.html

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    city council leader Warren Bradley is still confident that Everton will stay within the city boundary. Some people just love lost causes

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    I doubt the move will ever happen.
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    I heard that the people of Kirkby dont want it there.

    i dont like the image, or the Everton board. i dont trust them one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomie View Post
    I heard that the people of Kirkby dont want it there.

    i dont like the image, or the Everton board. i dont trust them one bit.
    I've been listening this avvy to the radio and the fella that was on seems full of cack. He was going on about people in time getting used to the idea of the Liverpool City region, ie Greater Liverpool.

    There must be some serious issues if they cannot keep the club in Liverpool.
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    I love Everton , but what is the problem with the board. why are no investors interested? did we not get TV money like other teams around us? and we have to make do with loan deals. I tell you something stinks in the boardroom.

    I would have thought they would back the manager to move the team forward. the team has made it into Europe , but no help comes from the board.

    ya boo to them

    maybe all our cash went on Kenrights Joseph

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    I believe Liverpool city council has offered EFC the land on Scottie RD by the tunnel where Bestway is. I think that would be the perfect location.. Few houses nearby, excellent road links, the regeneration of a rundown area and bringing the club back into Everton.

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