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    I only go on facts. Stalin? I detect brainwashing here.
    Sorry Waterways, I was being flippant.

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    I believe the old political system is out dated.Labour are no longer socialists.Most have the same benefit as the tories with a private education,they are either lawers or rich business men,who now nothing of socialism,which by definition,means equality to all.We need a new system,transparant and wholly democratic,I dont think it will ever happen though.The greedy people in charge will fight tooth and nail to keep what they've got.I'll carry on paying my taxes and complaining like everyone else.This country had huge economical growth based on dept,and now we are paying a heavy price,if Gordon Brown is such a great financial genius,why did he sell our gold reserves at an all time low price? And then give the banks billions of pounds of our money without any kind of conditions (they still rip us off,but use our own money to do it) and still pay themselves huge wages.It seems absurd that failure on such a massive scale is rewarded with wealth beyond most peopls wildest dreams(Fred the shred etc).Look at the bigger picture,your right,Labour and Libs did do some great things for this country,but not this bunch of imposters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Boulter View Post
    nothing of socialism,which by definition,means equality to all.
    It does not. I means social justice. The Tories believe that money solves all, by people acquiring as much as possible and then the trickle down effect from rich to poor. History has proven that it never works, as the top tier keep most for themselves and form self interest groups or in the UK a self interest class.

    if Gordon Brown is such a great financial genius,
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    aw come on! It was a great bubble. We all went with it - nobody complained at the time. Now we're all in the poo.

    Just maybe, we'll start making stuff again and selling it for money, not borrowing money to pay for money already borrowed - feeding the banks.

    It started in the late eighties and it almost had an inevitability about it. Labour went with it or we'd have been left behind in the gold rush (and moaning about how well others were doing). Now the money economy is a busted flush but hindsight is A1.

    Welcome to the world of starting small and for most, maybe even staying small. It used to be called 'thrift'. Too much growth is dangerous. It might even be good for the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    aw come on! It was a great bubble. We all went with it - nobody complained at the time. Now we're all in the poo.
    The Credit Crunch came from abroad, the British economy was sound. The City of London is primarily international trade, so the UK cannot be immune to world trends or events.
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    There were huge pools of money floating around the UK economy. Nobody looked too hard where it was coming from. Answer was; overseas investment based on unrealistic paper value of property. There was no other 'real' economy.

    If you look at the 'balance of trade' figures (remember them?!) for the last thirty years, they are a disaster story even including inputs from North Sea Oil and the London Money market.

    It wasn't sound at all.

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    The credit crunch came from the banks and investers who risked too much and lost.The boom time was fake,borrowing huge amounts of money to buy flash cars and big houses doesnt make you wealthy,it just means it belongs to someone else until you pay it back.Does'nt social justice and equality mean the same thing?The people who make a real difference in this world(teachers,nurses etc)get by on half decent wages while people who contribute nothing practicle (footballers,actors etc)seem to earn extraordinary amounts of money.I understand why some will always get more than others,thats how we advance,hard work and efficient productivity deserves some reward,while laziness and incompetence doesnt.We all know what "2 legs good,4 legs bad" means,we're only human and a lot of us are greedy,and thats why comunism and socialism almost always fails.

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    Gotta agree with you guys. I reckon the big bonuses didn't help neither. A lot of them got bonuses in the millions, who wouldn't massage the figures for that.

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    More ale house types of opinionated misinformation. I am only interested in facts.

    Some banks, mainly in the USA, were lending to to people who could not repay. Banks traded debts with other over international borders. Banks also lent heavily to each other over international bornders. The bad debts meant banks would not lend, even to each other (Northern Rock suffered), then the domino effect started.

    Those who say the government faked an economic boom for 12 years are not in the real world. I never imagined it, it did happen.

    Stop reading that idiot Littlejohn in the Daily Mail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    More ale house types of opinionated misinformation. I am only interested in facts.

    Some banks, mainly in the USA, were lending to to people who could not repay. Banks traded debts with other over international borders. Banks also lent heavily to each other over international bornders. The bad debts meant banks would not lend, even to each other (Northern Rock suffered), then the domino effect started.

    Those who say the government faked an economic boom for 12 years are not in the real world. I never imagined it, it did happen.

    Stop reading that idiot Littlejohn in the Daily Mail.
    This alehouse type reads quite a number of papers, considers himself reasonably informed but has never heard of Littlejohnl!!

    I also went to school and remember being taught about the South Sea Bubble (18th century?). We've been here before. Imaginary booms come and go all the time.

    MOST of UK banks packaged up overseas debt against dodgy or imaginary valuation of property and sold it on and on, round and round. UK banks were particularly good at it and London prospered as a born-again global financial centre.

    No one complained. Everyone was cool, money was cheap. It wasn't some band of naughty fools of foreigners. We should all share just a little responsibility, don't you think.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    This alehouse type reads quite a number of papers, considers himself reasonably informed but has never heard of Littlejohnl!!

    I also went to school and remember being taught about the South Sea Bubble (18th century?). We've been here before. Imaginary booms come and go all the time.

    MOST of UK banks packaged up overseas debt against dodgy or imaginary valuation of property and sold it on and on, round and round. UK banks were particularly good at it and London prospered as a born-again global financial centre.

    No one complained. Everyone was cool, money was cheap. It wasn't some band of naughty fools of foreigners. We should all share just a little responsibility, don't you think.?
    Petromax, Can't ever see you getting your opinion across to Waterways. He is a Labour man, right or wrong. Clever people see the bigger picture and don't follow blindly. Waterways, that's not a dig, just an observation.

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    I'm taking no share of responsibility. All i've done is lost out on pension and endowment funds whilst paying for a fund manager to manage badly.
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    I lost my job due to redundancy, the rules state i'm not entitled to job seekers because i live with my girl friend (therefore she can supposedly support me and her on less than 15k). I'm not entitled to contributions based help as i didn't make enough payments to my national insurance while i was a university student. Therefore i'm entitled to nothing after paying taxes on my wages for the last 9 years.

    My girl friend is not entitled to tax credits because both me and her are under 25, don't have kids, are not separated, she isn't preggers, she works full time the list continues.

    So that's why i have a gripe with the government.

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    But become a fat cat millionaire banker who can't bank properly resulting in going bust then being bailed out by taxpayers money only to retire on an annual pension amounting to more than most earn in a year or become a part time MP on 64k + an annual 50k pension with an expenses sheet longer than an andrex bog roll and your laughin' kidder.
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    heh. Yeah your right, i picked the wrong job.

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    I quite enjoy the political debates,everyone has an opinion,and theirs no right or wrong,if we could take all the good ideas and join them together the world would be a better place.Waterways is a lot like my dad,labour through and through,but times change,to think of labour as a socialist party nowadays is quite foolish.It is lead by middle class types playing at being good socialist(didnt Blair send his kids to private schools) and I'm not fooled in the least,also,I do base my opinions on facts.When was the last time an MP did anything his constituants wanted,they just pay lip service to the public but follow the party line for fear of being thrown out.Political parties rule the country in no democratic way whatsoever.I believe in honesty,truth and fairness,and I don't see a lot of that in the world today.Its quite surprising the lengths some people will go too,to get one step ahead of everyone else.Bull**** rules the world.

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    So true Robert.

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    Ah well. That'll just be me feeling just a little bit guilty then...

    I think I'll vote Conservative. If we everyone in Liverpool did, then at least we'd leave the Labour-loved Mancunians for dust!!...



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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    Ah well. That'll just be me feeling just a little bit guilty then...

    I think I'll vote Conservative. If we everyone in Liverpool did, then at least we'd leave the Labour-loved Mancunians for dust!!...



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    Dunno whether I'd go that far. Summat needs changin'

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    Both cities' MPs are overwhelmingly Labour. Manchester has twice as many MPs as Liverpool. Manchester has a Labour Council; Liverpool has a seemingly entrenched Liberal Council.

    NWDA are as political as anyone. They have to listen to whoever's in charge and we all know the money goes to where the votes are.

    Yep, let's wise up. The Conservatives are in power next - let's vote for the party in power (for a change)!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Boulter View Post
    Waterways is a lot like my dad,labour through and through,
    Not at all. I am an ABC, Anyone But Conservative. The Tory Party has a naive Eton old school boy shadow cabinet. All old school chums - how cosy for them - all with silly those arrrcents. The sort of thing you see in third world countries. Mainly from the same school and unis and always have been. Only two unis matter to them, as the other 97 are dismissed as not being "the right type", so all the rest are capable of ruling. Trust the economy with them? Are you serious?

    They support a ruling class, a non-meritocratic strata. A land owning aristocracy. Only a sycophant votes for them.

    Do not tell yourself lies and believe them. Look at facts. I am not interested in way off opinions by amateurs of how the Credit Crunch happened, only facts.

    but times change, to think of labour as a socialist party nowadays is quite foolish.
    They got rid of hereditary peers and have put more money in the NHS than ever before - fact.

    It is lead by middle class types playing at being good socialist(didnt Blair send his kids to private schools) and I'm not fooled in the least,
    Since when has the Labour party been a party that cliams to only represent one class of people?

    also,I do base my opinions on facts.
    What you perceive as facts, or an opinion on ignorance of many facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    Yep, let's wise up. The Conservatives are in power next - let's vote for the party in power (for a change)!!!!
    Not another sycophant. Who in their right mind puts someone in power who cares little of them and concern is primarily a ruling class strata. They are mainly all from the same school. We have 99 unis but they only consider two unis and two school. Going to the "right school" is what matters to them. Yes, the rest of us are all so thick.

    The Tories in next time? Mmmm. In the last election the Labour vote moved to the Libs which let the Tories in further. Little of the vote went to the Tories. In the last by-election, the same. The Tories improved their vote little. Labour voters stayed away. In the Euro elections the Tories may little ground in vote share. Labour voters need reassuring and they will flock back and business as usual.
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    Why vote for any of the "big" parties,lets face it,most people in this country know very little about politics and thats why we go from one dodgy government to another.No matter what side you align yourself with,you will still end up with a predominantly privately educated lawyer who just wants to play "mother know best",tell us what we can and can't do,and ultimately fill their boots with our hard earned cash,whilst trying to prevent us from finding out how much they have"stolen".The only blessing is that we have a change every few years so the pendulum swing back and forth,with no party being in long enough to completely ruin the country(thank the lord for that).Politics is something everyone has a duty to learn about,with an open mind.Ignorance is the real problem,and lets face it,most people are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Boulter View Post
    most people in this country know very little about politics
    That is true. Lab and Lib are for social justice. The others mainly for themselves. They say wealth creation (money) will solve all. The trickle down effect. In history around the world it has solved nothing as those in power consolidate their power and the wealth stays mainly in their hands.

    The only blessing is that we have a change every few years so the pendulum swing back and forth,
    Yep. The Tories did undo many social laws and have introduced virtually none. Many have short memories of the Thatcher and Major years and misery inflicted on the British people. They should never be given another chance. The Libs should replace them as the No. 2 party.
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    Maybe,but I believe they are all as bad as each other,I don't support any of the parties,I'll vote for whoever offers the best deal,and then,as usual,find they fall short on their promises(EU treaty referendum etc).They are all guilty of this kind of thing and new labour are not like Old labour,Tony Blair was smart to change the way the labour party did things,it gave them 12 years of power,some of it good and some bad,but he's not called Teflon Tony for nothing and Mandleson is the same,untrustworthy and unable to answer a direct question with a straight answer.Im not picking on the labour party,its just that they are in charge at the moment,the others are the same.Socialism is a great ideology which I wholly support,but human nature prevents it becoming a reality.I think,maybe,socialists go into politics full of ideals and become corrupted by the system,the power and money is to much temptation for most to resist.During hard times,leaders never go without and suffer.The miners went through a terrible time in the 80's at the hands of Thatcher,but Scargill did alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Boulter View Post
    Maybe,but I believe they are all as bad as each other,
    I keep hearing that ridiculous statement by many. Do some reading on political history over the past 120 years. Find out what the parties support and uphold. Look at their results. Look at who changed our society to the better over the past 120 years or so.
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    You seem to be living in the past,I'm looking at the future.past deeds are worthy of note but are now history,what happens now and in the future are what counts.Whilst talking of the past,I seem to recall a consevative defeating the nazis when labour failed abysmally,but that is also in the past.Whats happening now is our country being slowly given away to Europe for free,without any democratic vote whatsoever,so perhaps millions died for nothing.The European Union is as democratic as the nazi party(but at least they dont kill anyone). This seems to be an argument no-one can win,you hold your labour party ideals close to your heart and I applaud you for that,but remember who sent our troops to a pointless war to be killed for nothing ant a huge cost to our economy at a time of great hardship,while MP's of "all" parties fiddle their expenses the feather their nests.

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    So are the NWDA the enemy of Liverpool and biased towards Manchester?

    Political ideology and principles aside; As long as there are more MPs in Manchester that belonging to the government in power, Manchester will attract more investment and more money from government.

    You can't eat ideology or principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Boulter View Post
    You seem to be living in the past,I'm looking at the future.
    The past gives a clear indication of the future. A track record.

    Whilst talking of the past,I seem to recall a consevative defeating the nazis when labour failed abysmally,
    You obviously know sweet FA of WW2. The government was a coalition - that means Lab and Tory. As to wonderful Churchill, a warlord useless in peace time, he was not PM at the beginning of the war and was voted out during the war. Atlee was PM on Japan's surrender.

    <snip incoherent opinionated babble>

    I gave the facts of the current regime on an earlier post. Read it again. Also get to know British political and social history over the past 120 years. Also its history over the past 13 years.

    You come across as a very confused sycophant.
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