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    Its quite obvious that the phoney North West development agency has a not-so hidden agenda to promote manchester at the expense of Liverpool.
    Everything about any body that contains the words North West trying to influence policy, spending or otherwise must be rejected out of hand by all Liverpool City organisations.
    There is no North West region, it exists only in the heads of unelected quango leaders leeching off our city.
    While billions has been spent and promised up the M62, we had to go cap in hand to Europe for any little bauble we received and were made to feel like beggars.
    The two faced way that we are treated in comparison to our ugly sister makes my blood boil as does the pathetic lack of proper response or leadership shown by all our politicians, business leaders and media spokespeople.
    Time to create a new political party to stand up for the city. We could call it the Liverpool party and give everyone the chance to reject the pathetic lack of representation and decision making that takes place with the present rabble forever squabbling and scoring cheap political points while the city rots.


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    I think what we are seeing is due to Government pressure to make savings. I would agree with you that we have failed to fight our corner successfully and got the raw end of the deal in comparison to Manchester. I would also agree that what development there has been here is over-concentrated in the city centre. Nice of the NWDA to bail out Merseytravel to the tune of ?3million pounds for Mann Island tho'.

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    Manchester was the first manufacturing city
    Liverpool was a major commercial city

    London sucked the life out of the two of them, especially Liverpool, London's main rival - Manchester never was a rival. London is a black hole for the rest of the country. It sucks the best brains out of them. Talking to a South African businessman tonight. He said, "we had a call centre in Wavertree Business Park, but we can't get top managers and the like there so don't bother even thinking of expanding".

    London divides and rules. It will play Manchester against Liverpool. Why does a city with a commercial history get ignored for commercial setups in favouring of a city whose background is manufacturing? It doesn't fit. Manchester gets the nod until a threat in some way to London, then London will divert work to Liverpool to counter.

    Until the seat of government is moved out of London it will not change. It is unhealthy for the country to concentrate power in London-Oxford-Cambridge power triangle. The rest all suffer because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    I would also agree that what development there has been here is over-concentrated in the city centre.
    That is where it was needed, as still is needed. Look at Merseyrail/Merseytravel. Talk of opening the Burscough Curves, and the Halton Curves near Runcorn, Line to Skem from Kirkby, which are not even in Merseyside. The Bidston-Wrexham line too.

    The city has 4 miles is disused tunnel under the centre and inner-city which is waiting to merge into Merseyrail and make it a proper metro system, and not just a commuter rail system shifting people in from the outlaying suburbs. That is where the money should be spent. Create the transport infrastructure and investment will come, not play about on the edges of the Merseyrail network.
    http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/Extendi...sit_Merseyrail
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    Life's not all about transport links. Take a walk around Everton, Kensington, Norris Green, etc. and have a look at what's needed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    Life's not all about transport links. Take a walk around Everton, Kensington, Norris Green, etc. and have a look at what's needed!
    The inner city areas are bottomless pits for public money. Money goes in to keep them from starving and rioting and nothing, or little, materializes. Spend money wisely, and then investment follows with the districts becoming self sustaining and the bottomless pit disappears. Transport infrastructure is key to it, although as you say not everything.

    If the centres does well it ripples out.
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    My grandchildren may benefit from such 'trickle-down' but I'll be long gone!

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    If we had a labour council we would get just as much good treatment off the government as Manchester does. What annoys me is that we have labour MP's but as a collective they don't seem to have as much clout as their manchester counterparts.

    Come the next election we need to be anything other than labour, better to stay Liberal in city council and MPs or even bite the bullet and vote conservative.

    Things will get worse after the next election. Not because of any prejudice against liverpool or the north but because the conservatives won't have any power base here. They are pragmatists after all and will look to support their own councils and MPs before dishing out the scraps to everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    My grandchildren may benefit from such 'trickle-down' but I'll be long gone!
    The trickle down will come quite quick. At the end of Lodge Lane is Sefton Park. There is quite a bit of investment there. Put an underground Merseyrail station in the centre of Lodge Lane and investment will run up Lodge lane. Now, the private sector avoid the road like the plague.

    The point is spend on projects that pick a place up, not fill holes in it - that is pouring money into bottomless pits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broliv View Post
    If we had a labour council we would get just as much good treatment off the government as Manchester does. What annoys me is that we have labour MP's but as a collective they don't seem to have as much clout as their manchester counterparts.
    Manchester all point one way. The Brunswick Quay debacle emphasis the Liverpool political conflicts. All Labour councillors voted for the project, all Lib-Dems, bar one, against.

    Come the next election we need to be anything other than labour, better to stay Liberal in city council and MPs or even bite the bullet and vote conservative.
    Liverpool needs a Labour council. I have found they are more in tune to what the city needs to project it forwards.

    Vote Tory? Are you mad? Are you a sycophant? A bunch of Eton public school boys (most of in the shadow cabinet are them) running the country for themselves? Find out how the country is run and who are the greatest beneficiaries. When you do you will never vote for them. Every social reform they have opposed and even wanted to keep hereditary peers as well.

    Things will get worse after the next election. Not because of any prejudice against liverpool or the north but because the conservatives won't have any power base here. They are pragmatists after all and will look to support their own councils and MPs before dishing out the scraps to everyone else.
    The Tories are a southern England countryside-centric party. The country aspect does not mean that much as most people are urbanites. They maintain the Oxford-Cambridge-London power base maintaining a ruling class.

    The Tories pragmatists? News to me - they are obsessed with petty snobbery and aim to get that vote. If they get in power they will undo much of the good work Blair and Brown have done. They are vindictive - look at the miners, the demolition of the Festival of Britain site within weeks, in London. We could go on, and on, and on.

    We need the expertise of the current government to get us through the world financial problems in the coming years ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Talking to a South African businessman tonight. He said, "we had a call centre in Wavertree Business Park, but we can't get top managers and the like there so don't bother even thinking of expanding".
    Talking to a Danish businessman last night. I mentioned Liverpool. He quipped in and said it is a dump. Being defensive I countered. He said he went to see a football game at Anfield watching I think a Danish side. His impressions were from around Anfield football ground, which is dire to say the least and gives the wrong impression of the city. This guy, as the South African, had power and influence to set up business in cities - and Liverpool was way down the list.

    Which points to that a stadium that attracts many thousands of visitors to the city, British and foreign, must be in an area that that gives a favorable impression. Building a new stadium on Stanley Park and tarting up Goodison Park is really the wrong thing to do. Vauxhall on the Northern Line is a good location - the council have suggested this location a number of times. It will be within walking distance of Liverpool Waters when complete giving really good impression. Please do not suggest building a stadium on Clarence Dock as Liverpool Waters is planned for this World Heritage Site, and I can't think of worse site for stadium - waterlocked.

    Walton Hall Park is is a great site if the Outer Loop is re-commissioned.
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    Nice one Waterways. I agree with your remarks about Goodison and Anfield, they are a tip. Not a good welcome to the City. I think we should go the way of a super stadium. One that will become a tourist attraction in itself. I wouldn't like any football stadium too near the City though. I remember the football crowds of the eighties. Them days could well come back.

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    I dont understand why anyone would want to vote for any of the old political parties,as for the Labour party,a bunch of Champagne socialist.their more right wing than the tories.Take a look at the Blairs,How did they come to own millions of pounds worth of properties?And as for the European human rights act,how much did Mrs Blair make out of that.We need a political system where the MP represents the community he/she serves and does'nt do the bidding of the "party" like so many do.This is'nt democracy,its still rich people controlling everything.Many of my relatives fought and died in the second world war for the freedoms we enjoy now,but Blair and co have given most of these away to the unelected (and corrupt)EU.You must be looking at Labour through rose tinted glasses,they got us into a war we can't possibly win,costing billions whilst take the lives of young men.Look up the Jury Team,a new look at politics,honest and democratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Boulter View Post
    I dont understand why anyone would want to vote for any of the old political parties,as for the Labour party
    You are very confused.
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    Nice one guys. No matter who you vote for you end up with second raters. We need to pick out the best from all parties, I think that's how the Americans do it. That should curtail the party system, or at least slow it down. It's a shame that we have a lot of talent in the smaller parties and they're not given a chance. Except for Mandellson and now Lord Sugar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Nice one guys. No matter who you vote for you end up with second raters. We need to pick out the best from all parties, I think that's how the Americans do it. That should curtail the party system, or at least slow it down. It's a shame that we have a lot of talent in the smaller parties and they're not given a chance. Except for Mandellson and now Lord Sugar.
    I am ABC, Anyone But Conservative. I only vote for parties that have social justice on their list. They do not and never have. They have introduced no social laws whatsoever. NHS seeds by Liberals then Labour. Works acts, pensions acts, etc all by Lab or Lib. Only sycophants or confused people vote Tory. Just read a little political history.

    The 12 years since 1997 to the world-wide Credit Crunch hit us, which the UK is handling better than France, Germany and the USA, the UK saw the greatest economic boom and sustained economic growth - FACT. I want them to stay in power as they have a great track record. You don't get rid of a winning team. The alternative is frightening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    I am ABC, Anyone But Conservative. I only vote for parties that have social justice on their list. They do not and never have. They have introduced no social laws whatsoever. NHS seeds by Liberals then Labour. Works acts, pensions acts, etc all by Lab or Lib. Only sycophants or confused people vote Tory. Just read a little political history.

    The 12 years since 1997 to the world-wide Credit Crunch hit us, which the UK is handling better than France, Germany and the USA, the UK saw the greatest economic boom and sustained economic growth - FACT. I want them to stay in power as they have a great track record. You don't get rid of a winning team. The alternative is frightening.
    These people aren't Labour. Most of the reform now is coming from Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    These people aren't Labour. Most of the reform now is coming from Europe.
    They are Labour. They have introduced social and constitutional reform. 66 of the ejected Hereditary peers owned between them the eqiv of 4.5 average sized English counties. Anti-social laws are superb. 200 problem families have been removed to give them social lessons, and it is to be upped and about time. Anti-litter measures are becoming effective, except in Liverpool of course. ASBOs, etc introduced. NHS improved beyond any timer in history, etc, etc.

    No reform is coming from the EU, they only have limited power.
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    Waterways, we will have to agree to disagree. These politicians are a disgrace. All parties, and the next will be no different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Waterways, we will have to agree to disagree. These politicians are a disgrace. All parties, and the next will be no different.
    I am only interested in facts:

    I always think, where were they in the past 12 years? Selective amnesia clearly set in about anything pre-1997. And where were they in the years from 1997 to the world-wide Credit Crunch, that came in from the USA.

    FACTS.....
    • The city of Liverpool has changed immeasurably in the past 12 years - but maybe those buildings are all cardboard cutouts.
    • Maybe the strongest economy in the world for 12 years, was a figment of our imaginations.
    • Maybe the strongest currency in the world for around 12 years was a figment of our imaginations.
    • Maybe the super low interest rates were a figment of our imaginations.
    • Maybe the super low inflation rates were a figment of our imaginations.
    • Maybe the longest ever economic growth in British history, under Blair/Brown was a figment of our imaginations.
    • Maybe the boom and bust of the Thatcher/Major years, and absent under Labour were a figment of our imaginations.
    • Maybe the near zero unemployment was a figment of our imaginations.
    • Maybe the economy so strong that we could absorb 1 million eastern Europeans was a lie - who were all those Polish fellas then?
    • Maybe the Brown G20 world-wide rescue plan was a lie - it is now being reported by a number of economists in a few countries, that the recession is now over.
    • In many respects a worse financial crash than 1929, but no soup lines, so well plugged, and no massive unemployment as was predicated 18 months ago.


    Look at the facts that matter to a country at large. The Labour government over the 12 years from 1997 been the best in modern times. They plugged the Credit Crunch too - G20 meeting in London, etc, did anyone read the papers and watch TV?

    The history over the past 100 years is enough to give the Tory Party a wide berth and cast to oblivion. In 1918 only 10% of men had the vote. The Lab and Lib enfranchised the working classes and full voting ensued. Then look at it over that past 30 years - disaster. Yet one generation does not learn from the previous and makes the same mistakes.

    The Labour party introduced the housing policy for the soldiers coming back from the war, Homes for Heroes. The Liberal government however was a bit backwards, however brought in the national insurance act, employment, education and the first seeds of the NHS, with Labour fully implementing post WW2. People just forget the great achievement from the past. The Conservative Party, well what they have done during the past was clearly disastrous and giving them another chance to do so again? You must learn from history.

    The Tories have opposed most social reform, brought in little to none of it themselves, having repealed a lot of it at times. Most people in the UK are Lab or Lib and of total eligible to votes only about 20% go to the Tories, yet they get in far too regularly and ruin matters

    The Tory Party has a naive Eton old school boy shadow cabinet. All old school chums - how cosy for them - all with silly those arrrcents. The sort of thing you see in third world countries. Mainly from the same school and unis and always have been. Only two unis matter to them, as the other 97 are dismissed as not being "the right type", so all the rest are capable of ruling. Trust the economy with them? Are you serious?

    World-wide, Liberal/Social Democrats improved the living standards and quality of life of people. In the 1950/60 the country was supposed to be economically contracting, yet living standards for the masses were rising. The poorer, the vast majority of the people, were getting more of the share. The rich were not as rich and said the country was going to the dogs. My Dad didn't give a toss about shedding an empire, all he was concerned about was the standard of living for his family, which was rising because of social justice.

    Tory PM, McMillan said in 1958, "you have never had it so good". What tripe!!! The country was full of slum housing with millions without running hot water or inside toilets. I wonder who he was talking about? Many slum dwellers actually believed him as well.

    Do not tell yourself lies and believe them. Look at facts.
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    OK Stalin, Labour are great. Everyone else is rubbish.

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    Fair dues. Which bits of Waterways comment can you actually disagree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    Fair dues. Which bits of Waterways comment can you actually disagree with?
    It would take far too long. Labour have done some great things. Just don't think this Government have either done much nor is it Labour. Wasn't there a guy transferred to St Helens a while ago. He had a butler down south and he was the Labour MP for St Helens. Travesty. There are probably some great local people who could have done that.

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    I lived overseas for a while. We had a maid and a gardener. We gave them a living. Does that make me a Tory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    I lived overseas for a while. We had a maid and a gardener. We gave them a living. Does that make me a Tory?
    Not at all. It makes you a lucky so and so

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    harry i thought that the nwda and peel holdings were the same company until; i read that the new head chap at the nwda is the ex head chap of peel holdings. i dont know how i could have got mixed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    I lived overseas for a while. We had a maid and a gardener. We gave them a living. Does that make me a Tory?
    I lived overseas for a while and had two rent boys. Does that make me gay. Come to think of it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    OK Stalin, Labour are great. Everyone else is rubbish.
    I only go on facts. Stalin? I detect brainwashing here.
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    I lived overseas for a while and had two rent boys. Does that make me gay. Come to think of it....
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