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    Quote Originally Posted by FKoE
    Reminds me of that Iceberg joke .........
    D'you mean the one about the announcement at Loyd's of the tragic loss of the Titanic! ? and a polar bear at the back asks:'"Any news of the Iceberg"? (Apologies to Tom O'Conner!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm NZ
    D'you mean the one about the announcement at Loyd's of the tragic loss of the Titanic! ? and a polar bear at the back asks:'"Any news of the Iceberg"? (Apologies to Tom O'Conner!)
    Close Normie!!.....but it was the one about the Seacombe ferryman, and the ultra-right winger.........

    Oh!, and the Titanic and an Iceberg

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    THE importance of Liverpool's Welsh heritage will be celebrated at a new exhibition launched today.

    The city's Irish links are well-documented, but the Welsh also came to Liverpool in their thousands.

    The Eloquent Suitcase exhibition is the result of a year-long initiative by Liverpool Community Spirit whose members have interviewed almost 100 people either with Welsh roots, or those who live in the city's Welsh streets.

    Their stories are told through a new book, Welsh Roots/Welsh Routes, and the exhibition produced in partnership with Welsh photo-grapher and designer Phil Cope and composer Andrew Griffiths.

    It was being launched in the 08 Shop in Whitechapel today.

    Matthew Thompson, co-ordinator of Liverpool Community Spirit, said: "It provides powerful inspiration to all who reallycare about the future of our city's community roots."

    The Welsh have been part of the history and development of Liverpool for centuries, and at one stage it was called the Capital of North Wales. Many came to the city to work in the docks.

    The Welsh Presbyterian church in Toxteth, opened in 1868, reflected the success of the 19th century Welsh community and was known as the Welsh cathedral.

    At the start of the last century Liverpool, Bootle and Crosby had a larger Welsh speaking presence than Cardiff, Wrexham or Newport and some of the largest Welsh non conformist chapels anywhere in the UK.

    Many Welsh people lived in the Everton and Toxteth areas in what have been dubbed the 'Welsh Streets'.

    Patagonian girl learned English as newly-wed

    ELAN Jones only learned to speak English as a newly-wed in Liverpool.

    The grandmother has lived in the city for 50 years with husband Richard.

    But her roots lie neither in Liverpool nor in Wales, but in South America.

    Mrs Jones's great-grandfather was one of the earliest Welsh settlers in the Patagonia region of southern Argentina.

    He preceded even the SS Mimosa, which in 1865 sailed from Liverpool with more than 150 Welsh migrants bound for a new life in Latin America.

    They helped establish a Welsh settlement which has survived to this day.

    Former nurse Mrs Jones, 80, from Mossley Hill, said: "People wanted their independence and a place for the Welsh.

    "I was born in Tirhalen, which means salty land. We had a farm with cattle, and alfalfa grass which grew 3ft tall. My first language is Welsh and my second Spanish."

    Mrs Jones was working as a nurse in Buenos Aires when she had the chance to travel to Wales half-a-century ago.

    There she met her future husband and they have lived in Liverpool since October 1956.

    She said: "I've been back to Argentina a few times and it's changed like anywhere else.

    "We speak Welsh at home here - you don't forget your Welsh heritage."
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    I can smell burning holiday homes!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FKoE View Post
    I can smell burning holiday homes!!
    Don't start that one again! They'll be piddling in our reservoirs again. Oops, sorry Dai, your reservoirs.
    But then again, Dai won't be reading this he can't read English!
    Ermine tastes much the same as sackcloth when there's nothing left to eat.

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    do all 'ch 'n benffol ffola

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    Erm!!...Nos Da Gnomie

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    do all 'ch 'n benffol ffola
    Yer wha', la? ...'ang on I'll ask our dog to take a gander at it, he's a Welsh Border Collie... and they were all Welsh speakers down on the farm, he might know!

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    LIVERPOOL'S Welsh community was out in force to celebrate its heritage at the Lord Mayor's annual Welsh Civic Service. more
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    Quote Originally Posted by FKoE View Post
    I can smell burning holiday homes!!
    Naughty FKoE
    " If you know your history, then you would know where you coming from".


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    There was also Llanwrst street, Dingle. A few Welsh chapels/churches are mentioned at Toxteth.net e.g.
    http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverp...%20deniols.htm

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    Anyone interested in putting a football team in to represent Wales in the Inner City World Cup taking place in Liverpool in June please send me a PM.Its a big Football festival that we usually do in Regents Park but its coming to Liverpool and we would like all the different cultures and communities to be represented so please get in touch if you are interested and I will forward the full details.

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    The hub of the Welsh Community in Liverpool was St. Paul's Square off Old Hall street. Many resided around Pall Mall and many Welsh chapels were built.

    Over the bridge (as it's known locally) around Athol street there were Barmouth, Menai streets to name but a few. The Goodison road streets begin with Oxton and go right up to near Arnot st school and spell out Owen and William elias owen (not owen hargreaves as Waterways said - he actually plays for England - (badly)

    The Welsh streets of Dingle are well documented too of course.
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    There are some Welsh named streets in Anfield .. can't think of all of them off the top of my head, but there is Corwyn, Berwyn, Bala, that spring to mind.

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    My family are Welsh.

    My Nain before she was drafted into the Land Army worked in TJs and sang at night for the troops.

    Her Mum and Dad moved to Birkenhead where there used to be quite a large Welsh speaking community.

    Don't forget the Welsh didn't just build half the city but were also teachers and doctors.

    Cymru am Byth!

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    To 'list and fight the foe today - Over the hills and far away

    O'er the hills and o'er the main, Through Flanders Portugal and Spain
    King George commands and we obey - Over the hills and far away"

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    Yes, there were many Welsh teachers and doctors .. many years ago our local GP was Welsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    There are some Welsh named streets in Anfield .. can't think of all of them off the top of my head, but there is Corwyn, Berwyn, Bala, that spring to mind.

    Thought of some others .. Conwy drive, Gwent way, Cardigan way, (off Whitefield rd area ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbuttons View Post
    My family are Welsh.

    My Nain before she was drafted into the Land Army worked in TJs and sang at night for the troops.

    Cymru am Byth!

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    T J Hughes and Owen Owen department stores were of course founded by Welshmen. Much of the source of finance for the Welsh Builders in Liverpool came from the Bank of North and South Wales. This was established 1836 and headquartered in Castle St Liverpool. This was taken over by the Midland Bank (now HSBC) in the early years of the 20th C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    There are some Welsh named streets in Anfield .. can't think of all of them off the top of my head, but there is Corwyn, Berwyn, Bala, that spring to mind.
    Other ones in Anfield include Skerries Road, Vrynwy St, Valley Road and Dinorwic Road. There was a Welsh builder in lte Victorian times called John Jones who was named Drinkwater, because he refused to undertake the custom of buying his workers a pint of beer when the first house of a terrace was completed.

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    There used to be a Welsh church in Douglas rd, Anfield (opposite the juniour school).
    The church was demolished a long time ago - probably early 70s at a rough guess.

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    All very good,but there doesnt seem to be any Welsh community in Liverpool anymore.What happened to them all,did they all go back to Wales?

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    We've got the Welsh streets near to where I live and a lot of Welsh people still live there. Mind you, they are in the process of being knocked down at the moment.

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    All very good,but there doesnt seem to be any Welsh community in Liverpool anymore.What happened to them all,did they all go back to Wales?
    They are still in Liverpool. They integrated and generally in my experience don't make a big thing of their ancestry. Check the Liverpool phone book for Welsh surnames, there's plenty there. However are still a few Welsh chapels still operating in the Liverpool area. The large one one in Heathfield rd , Wavertree comes to mind

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    The Welsh didn't just build Welsh named streets.
    In fact, it's probably correct to say that they built most of Liverpool's terraced streets from the second half of the 19th century onwards.

    Earlier on in this thread somebody wondered if Lewis's was a Welsh firm.
    Until recently, under Owen Owen control it was, but it was originally founded by a Jew called Levy.
    Last edited by PhilipG; 03-30-2007 at 11:55 AM.

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    Yes, that's right. Loads of streets in Anfield were built by the Welsh.
    Wolverton st where I grew up was welsh built if I'm not mistaken.

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    Anyone wishing to look more into the Welsh builders may wish to try and get a copy of The Welsh Builder On Merseyside by JR Jones.

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    Anyone wishing to look more into the Welsh builders may wish to try and get a copy of The Welsh Builder On Merseyside by JR Jones.
    Also there's an interesting chapter in the book " Building the Industrial City" edited by Martin Doughty. Published by Leicester University Press 1986

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    Default Bethel Presbyterian Church of Wales, Wavertree

    Church built in 1920s but due for demolition and replacement with a smaller version I understand. Minister: Prof. Dr. D Ben Rees. For more info on the Liverpool Welsh, see

    http://www.liverpool-welsh.com/heritage.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy View Post
    Church built in 1920s but due for demolition and replacement with a smaller version I understand. Minister: Prof. Dr. D Ben Rees. For more info on the Liverpool Welsh, see

    http://www.liverpool-welsh.com/heritage.htm
    The photo is of the one in Heathfield Road/Smithdown Place, which all the tourists think is Penny Lane.
    The congregation came here about 1924 from a chapel in Webster Road.
    The Webster Road chapel was then converted into a cinema called the Cameo.
    And the rest, as they say, is history.

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