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    Default Brian Epstein

    Nickname ...Eppie

    His autobiography, "A Cellarful of Noise", written during the height of "Beatlemania", was supposedly ghost-written by Beatles press agent Derek Taylor.

    John Lennon wrote the song "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away", allegedly after rejecting one of Brian's romantic advances.

    While he preferred listening to classical music, he had a keen sense of pop music trends.

    Was the Beatles' first manager, and referred to them as "the boys".

    Was dismissed from the British Army for being "incurably civilian", but was given a good character reference: "Sober, conscientious, and utterly trustworthy".

    Ran a record shop concession in a chain of furniture stores owned by his father.

    Studied for three terms at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art (RADA) in London; his classmates included Peter O'Toole and Susannah York.

    Epstein at first thought the name "Beatles" sounded silly, when he saw it on a Liverpool concert bill. In asking his staff about them, though, he was surprised to learn they were among his frequent customers, sometimes browsing NEMS between shows at the Cavern, and he'd liked the members he'd dealt with.

    Along with their business dealings, Epstein and George Martin also developed a casual friendship; Epstein would join Martin and wife-to-be Judy Lockhart-Smith on afternoons or evenings out. Epstein's wedding gift to the two was a set of silver napkin rings - eleven, to commemorate the number present at the bridal dinner.


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    Was given a copy of the The Velvet Underground's first album (with the banana cover) by one of his contacts, and played it almost incessantly during a 1967 vacation. Reportedly considered bringing the Velvets to England to perform, but died before things could be worked out.

    Sponsored the only Monkees concerts given in England in the 1960s; a series of shows at Wembley.

    One of Epstein's last signings was The Cyrkle, of "Red Rubber Ball" fame; John Lennon provided the band's new name.

    Besides the Beatles, Brian Epstein also managed Cilla Black, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Billy J. Kramer, and Tommy Quickly, while his NEMS Enterprises lineup represented The Bee Gees, Jimi Hendrix, and Cream.
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    Very nice poem about Brian Epstein just posted on the Liverpool 800 poems site:

    Eppy-taph

    Brian Epstein was a friend of mine
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, they all say that!
    It's true! I could tell you about the time
    When he lent me his favourite cravat!
    Brian Epstein was a friend of mine
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, they all say that!

    Hello Brian. Is it really forty years since you went away?
    Standing here by your graveside wondering what to say
    I can still see you smiling as I asked for a record to play
    There in NEMS in the listening booth
    Where I first heard three chords and the truth
    And instead of more than forty years, it seems like yesterday.

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    He did have the wisdom of success for your Liverpool Lads...nice remembrance that was Chris..

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    Hi naked lilac

    In many ways, Brian Epstein has become the forgotten man in the Beatles' success story. I often think that if everything had not worked out the way it did, with Brian Epstein's business genius, followed by George Martin's musical genius at Parlophone, John Lennon and Paul McCartney could have remained just plain Liverpool boys, their talent not known to the world as it ultimately came to be. Just a couple of guys who, like hundreds of others, played in a mildly successful Merseybeat band, in the beat boom of the Sixties. They might have gone on to be blokes with everyday lives, teachers or clerks perhaps, all that talent unknown, members of a sometime band in the Sixties, nothing special, fading from view. A different trajectory to what happened, but quite possible I think, if Brian Epstein had not had the business acumen and foresight to have taken them from the cellar in Liverpool to the world.

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    Nice thread

    I actually bought a first edition of Cellarful of Noise this week from Ebay

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    It's on Radio Merseyside - Now - They are proposing to put up a statue in honour of Brian Epstein. Rex Makin came on the radio and said he was opposed to it ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven View Post
    It's on Radio Merseyside - Now - They are proposing to put up a statue in honour of Brian Epstein. Rex Makin came on the radio and said he was opposed to it ???
    Hi Steven

    I think Brian Epstein should have a statue. As I mentioned above, I often think the Beatles may not have gone anywhere without Epstein's business acumen to take them there. They needed him to get the big break.

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    I agree. There should be a statue for him.

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    Brian was one of our own and came from a wonderful hardworking family. I met him a few times when he was in the music store and he was a great person to talk to. If he didn't have the record you wanted, then he promised to get it. He always did.
    Brian also made an arrangement with Frank Gretty who worked in Hesseys. Frank would hire out musical instruments to groups playing on the Cavern or the Iron Door. Many of the groups at this time could not afford their own gear. Brian helped many groups this way and eventually,,,,, he didn't know how many bands he had on his books.

    I liked him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven View Post
    Brian was one of our own and came from a wonderful hardworking family. I met him a few times when he was in the music store and he was a great person to talk to. If he didn't have the record you wanted, then he promised to get it. He always did.
    Brian also made an arrangement with Frank Gretty who worked in Hesseys. Frank would hire out musical instruments to groups playing on the Cavern or the Iron Door. Many of the groups at this time could not afford their own gear. Brian helped many groups this way and eventually,,,,, he didn't know how many bands he had on his books.

    I liked him.

    A great reminiscence of Brian Epstein, Steven. Many thanks.

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    Someone on the phone-in actually said 'What did he do for Liverpool?'

    The ignorance of some people

    Have you seen the stable of musicians he assembled under his banner - He managed the Merseybeat scene.

    With a little help from his friends like Bill Harry, Bob Wooler, Sam Leach, Alan Williams who hosted, promoted and reported on local shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Someone on the phone-in actually said 'What did he do for Liverpool?'

    The ignorance of some people

    Have you seen the stable of musicians he assembled under his banner - He managed the Merseybeat scene.

    With a little help from his friends like Bill Harry, Bob Wooler, Sam Leach, Alan Williams who hosted, promoted and reported on local shows.
    Agreed, Ged. Brian Epstein was himself a star on the local music scene and not just because he managed the Beatles. As Steven said, he helped a lot of struggling musicians to stardom, not just the ones he managed.

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    Though I do agree with what Billy Butler said. He was a shy person and would blush brightly at the thought of a statue to him. I can see the sense in getting one for Noel Chavasse first.
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    No way would I like a statue of Epstein.
    Ken dodd would be more suitable.
    As Ged said Noel Chavasse even.
    A real man that we could all appreciate,a man that my great grandad would of been proud of
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    Quote Originally Posted by John(Zappa) View Post
    No way would I like a statue of Epstein.
    Ken dodd would be more suitable.
    As Ged said Noel Chavasse even.
    A real man that we could all appreciate,a man that my great grandad would of been proud of.
    Oh well John each to their own opinion, shame you think like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john View Post
    Oh well John each to their own opinion, shame you think like that.
    I respect everyones right to their opinion, everyone doesn't think the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shytalk View Post
    I respect everyones right to their opinion, everyone doesn't think the same way.
    " If you know your history, then you would know where you coming from".


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    All I am saying is that his sexual preferences don't come in to this. I know it must have been difficult for Brian during that era to disguise his true sexual identity. Gays were openly frowned upon and often prosecuted at that time.
    I always found him to be a very shy and un-assuming person, who was a gentleman in every visible way. He was deeply respected by most of the bands and he even had time to chat with little raggamuffins like me.
    If he was alive now and knew that they intended to dedicate a statue to him ~ ~ he would run 10 miles before he packed his suitcase.

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    Of all the heroes and heroines, of all the people of note, and all the statues of the famous, how are we to know who was gay and who wasn't.
    I bet there must be some who were gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven View Post
    All I am saying is that his sexual preferences don't come in to this. I know it must have been difficult for Brian during that era to disguise his true sexual identity. Gays were openly frowned upon and often prosecuted at that time.
    I always found him to be a very shy and un-assuming person, who was a gentleman in every visible way. He was deeply respected by most of the bands and he even had time to chat with little raggamuffins like me.
    If he was alive now and knew that they intended to dedicate a statue to him ~ ~ he would run 10 miles before he packed his suitcase.

    Even in Dublin a few months ago, Molly, Gerry and I walked across St. Stephen's Green and admired a magnificent statue of Oscar Wilde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John(Zappa) View Post
    No way would I like a statue of Epstein.
    Ken dodd would be more suitable.
    As Ged said Noel Chavasse even.
    A real man that we could all appreciate,a man that my great grandad would of been proud of.Not a homosexual
    Noel Chavasse?
    Have you heard of Wilfred Owen, then?

    There's a religious sect in America that would love you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven View Post
    Even in Dublin a few months ago, Molly, Gerry and I walked across St. Stephen's Green and admired a magnificent statue of Oscar Wilde.

    I'd love to see that statue.

    of course, not all gays were as open as Oscar Wilde.
    It doesn't need me to state the obvious - that in times gone by, not all gays were 'out' about their sexuality. So therefore, it stands to reason that there will be some great men and women who were gay and we might not be aware of the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    Noel Chavasse?
    Have you heard of Wilfred Owen, then?

    There's a religious sect in America that would love you.
    Don't get me going on some god squad rant.
    Foolish rules of ancient dates designed to make you all feel great!
    God made us all to be just like him so if we're dumb then god is dumb-and maybe a little ugly on the side!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    Noel Chavasse?
    Have you heard of Wilfred Owen, then?

    There's a religious sect in America that would love you.
    WW1 poet.
    I forgot that.

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    Isn,t it funny how we all drop our guard at times; and the more we try to be accepted in society or here on the forum even, how our real self takes over when an ugly word or thread raises its eyes.

    I,ve seen silly posts on here by three people I respected last week, but tonight that respect has been dragged in the dirt.

    You should be ashamed of yourselves as I am ashamed of you.

    Keep it clean now lads or I will take my posts elsewhere and not be part of this charade of a forum that is getting just like scouse house.

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    Default Let the beatles pay for Epstein statue

    Let the beatles and the groups he managed pay for the statue, They have the money gained from his hard work not the people of liverpool

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    What is the matter with everyone these last couple of days?

    Will you please remember forum rule 1 - Be polite and friendly!

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    Memorial to gay Beatles manager gains support

    1st February 2008 15:35
    PinkNews.co.uk staff writer

    LGBT activists in Liverpool have begun a campaign to honour one of the city's most prominent gay residents.

    Brian Epstein was one of the most influential figures in the 'Mersey Beat' movement in the early 1960s.

    As well as managing The Beatles until his death in 1967, he launched the careers of Cilla Black and Gerry and the Pacemakers.

    Gary Everett, artistic director of Liverpool's annual LGBT arts festival Homotopia, told the Liverpool Echo:

    "The time is right for Epstein’s vast legacy, to the city and to the world, to be remembered.

    "A public statue is a fitting way to honour the vast contribution he made to popular culture."

    Liverpool is European Capital of Culture 2008.

    Epstein, born in the city, was only 32 when he died of a drug overdose in his London home.

    His death had a profound effect on The Beatles.

    "If anyone was the Fifth Beatle, it was Brian," said Paul McCartney. After his death the group increasingly grew apart.

    A local councillor has given his backing to an Epstein memorial.

    Councillor Eddie Clein put a motion before Liverpool City Council this week supporting the proposal.

    "Without Brian Epstein, The Beatles wouldn't have been what they were," he said.

    "They would have been another Liverpool group kicking around the clubs.

    "I believe we’re doing the right thing in fully supporting a memorial."

    Source: Pink News

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    I don't understand how anyone would want a statue of a drug addict erected in their own city.
    Most people would prefer Ken Dodd AND THAT'S A FACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johno View Post
    Let the beatles and the groups he managed pay for the statue, They have the money gained from his hard work not the people of liverpool
    Yeah I agree and put the statue in a Beatles museum (out the way).

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