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    Cool

    That's strange, never new Liverpool has a zoo...ever!

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    Thanks for the link to this thread.
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    Very interesting.

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    Thanks QS, but the credit should go to Ged for posting the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Here is what Freddy O'Connor writes about the Parrot Pub which was on Hygeia Street off West Derby Road - a pub that John Zappa was asking about and I posted it up on the pub thread.

    ''Its origins go back to the 1830s when a large house existed at the junction of Hygeia Street and Rake Lane (later West Derby Road). A zoological gardens had opened opposite in 1832, with the entrance facing Hygeia Street. A Mr. William Mayman who resided in the house in question acquired a job as a keeper in the zoo. He became something of a local hero when he was injured rescuing a young boy who was being mauled by an escaped bear. As a reward for his brave deed, a subscription was raised which resulted in him opening part of his house as a pub.

    He comissioned a sign which read 'Mayman in the jaws of the bear' which apparently attracted quite a clientele and by 1843, the premises was licenced as the man and bear. By the 1850s when the licensee was a Mr Mitchell, the name had been changed to the Parrot, then at No.181. The premises were then added to or rebuilt in the 1860s as from then on it was listed as 127 West Derby Road.

    It was a decorative pub boasting two statues on its facade. William Ryder was the manager in 1903 when it also had adjoining cocoa rooms which were listed as the British workman public House Co. Ltd.

    This 1960s view when the manager was Joseph Ainsworth shows the former cocoa rooms then listed to Low & Co Builders Merchants and at 131, Crown Fireplace specialists. Adjoining the pub in Hygeia street was TKS Motor Engineering. Part of Ogdens Tobacco works can be seen in the background. Listed 1964.''
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    Yes, it's from 'A pub on every corner' Volume 3 of 4'
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    "....had adjoining cocoa rooms..."

    OK... what's a cocoa room?

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    Cocoa rooms were set up by the temperence society who thought of pubs and beer houses as evil and dingy allowing kids to be served with jug of ale for their ne'er do well fathers. This led to the building of grand gin palaces such as the crown, vines, central commercial, philharmonic and midland in retaliation to show that such places were a thing of the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by az_gila View Post
    "....had adjoining cocoa rooms..."

    OK... what's a cocoa room?
    My nan used to talk about the cocoa rooms. I used to laugh at the idea of it. I had visions of everyone sitting around nursing mugs of cocoa

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    Hi Miss Liverpool has had several zoos through the ages not to be confused with ZOOALOGICAL gardens Just before i tell you about rice lane The park at the top of westderby road by the register office is called Grant gardens and never was a zoo at was a cemetary in the victorian days. The picture of the elephant towing the car is at the top of break road you can see the watertower in the picture
    Yhat was a circus and Zoo. Did you know there was a zoo on top of Lewisis store. Anyway back to rice lane. Yes it had a zooalogical gardens
    I think walton hall park was part ot it and it covered a huge area The entrance was Inbetween Dunlops or that Resterant and you know that little flower shop it used to sell mobility stuff well the gates where just there and that little shop its closed down now by the way well that was the gatehouse to the park and yes its the original building, Kennsingtomn Zooalogical gardens was the biggerst and newsham park was part of that The ran from Kenny almost to breck road and from low hill up to near the flower market on Prescot road. I have seen a map of this. Also i think i may have seen a picture on this site of the entrance to the rice lane one.
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    Rice Lane still has a farm and it is an active working farm to this day....the fields around it are mass paupers graves with over half a million unamed people buried in graves 10 deep and more...my Grandad is buried in his own grave in one of the avenues that lead to Walton hospital... part of Walton hospital used to be a work house and many many thousands of the dead in the paupers graves are Irish people that fled the potato famine and died of illness at the work house.. the dead would be piled high on wooden handcarts and pushed down the paths to the fields that are now the animal grazing areas... the bodys were tipped from the handcarts and buried...James Carlng is buried there... so is Robert Tressel Noonan (The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist) in a paupers grave ..his grave has only recently had a memorial stone put on to show he is buried there.... I'll put pictures around the farm and cemetary on soon with more info..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinone View Post
    Liverpool has had several zoos through the ages not to be confused with ZOOALOGICAL gardens...
    Hi Colin, welcome to Yo! Sorry to point out but, there's no difference between a 'zoo' and a 'zoological garden'.

    Zoo
    c.1847, short for Zoological Gardens of the London Zoological Society, established 1828 in Regent's Park to house the society's collection of wild animals. From comb. form of Gk. zoion "an animal," lit. "a living being," from PIE base *gwei- "to live, life" (cf. Gk. bios "life," O.E. cwicu "living;" see bio-). Slang meaning "crowded and chaotic place" first recorded 1935


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinone View Post
    The park at the top of west derby road by the register office is called Grant gardens and never was a zoo at was a cemetary in the victorian days.
    The zoological gardens where just a little further along West Derby Road, close to where the Grafton Rooms are today [there's probably a few gags in there, but I'll save 'em for another day]. The main entrance was opposite "Hygeia Street" aptly named in its honour. Here's an early map from 1848 [LRO] showing the zoological gardens, complete with 'Monkey House', 'Elephant House' etc...


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    Hey thats ok Dazza as long as the lady gets the info
    Funny i havent seen the map of kennisington gardens untill this morning
    i always thought it was bigger.
    By the way i went to butler street school long time ago though My great Granddads
    name was on a brass plate on the wall in there. He died in the first world war
    This is one fantastic site for leaning stuff and some clever people .
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    Hi Colin, I'm glad you're enjoying Yo, I learn new things on here almost every visit.

    Just one point on Kensington Gardens. Although they appear to be linked to the Zoological Gardens on West Derby Road, they are in fact independent of each other, and are broken by Kensington (road). The Zoological Gardens were established first and clearly shown on maps of the 1850's. Part of Kensington Park was a reservoir at that time. Although now filled in the outline does survive.

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    I haven't looked back to see if it's been mentioned but there was one in Mossley Hill as well wasn't there as my pa in law remembers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I haven't looked back to see if it's been mentioned but there was one in Mossley Hill as well wasn't there as my pa in law remembers?
    Hi Ged, it's shown on the 1937/38 map. But dates from not much earlier.


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