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    Did u work close to a gararge that used to be A41 Minis by any chance?
    I think that place used to have half a mini jutting out of the wall.


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    It's great seeing the pictures of the docks. I remember huge cranes loading and unloading ships straight onto the wagons. At Bidston docks, there were two giant ore cranes. It was a real shame to see them go. Dock is filled in now, for what seems to me, no apparent reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    I think that place used to have half a mini jutting out of the wall.

    It's great seeing the pictures of the docks. I remember huge cranes loading and unloading ships straight onto the wagons. At Bidston docks, there were two giant ore cranes. It was a real shame to see them go. Dock is filled in now, for what seems to me, no apparent reason.
    All Peel do is acquire land by any means - MDHC fillin Bidston though. Peel have filled docks in to make land. Land by stealth. They filled in Bidston Dock in Birkenhead, and do not need PP to do so, as it is for "industrial port use", they can just go ahead. They put a few sheds on the infilled dock space, which was always water being a part of the old Wallasey Pool. It could have made money just laying up the many idle ships around.

    They should be made to excavate the dock as it was clear the land was not put to any good use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    All Peel do is acquire land by any means - MDHC fillin Bidston though. Peel have filled docks in to make land. Land by stealth. They filled in Bidston Dock in Birkenhead, and do not need PP to do so, as it is for "industrial port use", they can just go ahead. They put a few sheds on the infilled dock space, which was always water being a part of the old Wallasey Pool. It could have made money just laying up the many idle ships around.

    They should be made to excavate the dock as it was clear the land was not put to any good use.
    No WW, they haven't put anything on it. Just filled it in. I don't know if anyone knows the reason for this. I seeem to remember that at the end of the dock, there was a sloping wall and a lot of water behind it. But that was like that for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    No WW, they haven't put anything on it. Just filled it in. I don't know if anyone knows the reason for this. I seeem to remember that at the end of the dock, there was a sloping wall and a lot of water behind it. But that was like that for years.
    Peel do anything to acquire land. I saw a couple of containers or portacabins on it. Behind the dock was the remnants of the old Wallasey Pool.

    Peel announced plans to build a shed shopping mall on the in-filled land:
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    Nothing to do with port business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Peel do anything to acquire land. I saw a couple of containers or portacabins on it. Behind the dock was the remnants of the old Wallasey Pool.

    Peel announced plans to build a shed shopping mall on the in-filled land:
    http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/Wirral_Waters

    Nothing to do with port business.
    WW, it all looks very nice. If that happens I shall eat my hat. I have seen so many pies in the sky ideas for Wallasey and Birkenhead. What the powers that be need to remember is that Wirral is a suburb of Liverpool. There is no way we should or could compete. There's too many of these shopping areas. If there is investment it should be in our town centres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    No WW, they haven't put anything on it. Just filled it in. I don't know if anyone knows the reason for this. I seeem to remember that at the end of the dock, there was a sloping wall and a lot of water behind it. But that was like that for years.
    When Bidston Dock was completed - it did have a specific function to handle iron ore ships bringing in ore for Summer's Steel Works at Shotton.

    The wet area beyond the dock was to have formed an extension should demand require it. A similar situation exists over at Seaforth, there is the unfinished basin north of the existing Seaforth dock which is now a nature reserve within the dock estate. This was also provided for future extension.

    The interesting thing is that the new swing bridge was constructed across Bidston Dock around 1994. I think infilling started just 6 years after that!

    One of the last ships to berth in Bidston was Sea Container's SUPERSEACAT THREE in the corner by the old Mobil works when she was being prepared for service at the start of the season.

    If my memory serves be correctly infilling of the northern corner of the dock had begun before the ship departed to take up service.

    What a waste of money the construction of that swing bridge was!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    WW, it all looks very nice. If that happens I shall eat my hat. I have seen so many pies in the sky ideas for Wallasey and Birkenhead. What the powers that be need to remember is that Wirral is a suburb of Liverpool. There is no way we should or could compete. There's too many of these shopping areas. If there is investment it should be in our town centres.
    Yep. The sooner it is all brought into Liverpool, or a new name such as Liverpool Bay and have a mayor like London the better. Some council offices can be on the Wirral. The Wirral is in the socio/economic sphere of Liverpool. It must all pull the one way.

    This shopping mall could have gone on the land behind Bidston Dock and the water left.

    Below a ship capsized in the dock. The docks was filled-in, in 2003.


    Below: The plan was to take Bidston Dock even further inland with branch docks. The Great Float and Bidston Dock was a sort of canal running inland. There was a plan to take it to Liverpool Bay at Moreton.


    As they have not used the dock for any purpose since infilling, and it was clearly a land by stealth ploy, Peel should be made to excavate the dock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Yep. The sooner it is all brought into Liverpool, or a new name such as Liverpool Bay and have a mayor like London the better. Some council offices can be on the Wirral. The Wirral is in the socio/economic sphere of Liverpool. It must all pull the one way.
    Yes, WW, I think all these councils are pulling in different directions. There does need to be a concerted effort and direction. Over the years I have heard of so many plans for Liverpool and Birkenhead, there seems to be a lot of money spent and then nothing. I don't know whether having a Merseyside Mayor will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    As they have not used the dock for any purpose since infilling, and it was clearly a land by stealth ploy, Peel should be made to excavate the dock.
    Peel didn't fill it in - the work was done by previous owners MDHC.

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    Whoever did it aint gonna empty it. Too expensive. Another expanse of water lost. Other land locked towns and cities would give their eye teeth for what we got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com View Post
    Peel didn't fill it in - the work was done by previous owners MDHC.
    I know that. Peel now own MDHC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Whoever did it aint gonna empty it. Too expensive. Another expanse of water lost. Other land locked towns and cities would give their eye teeth for what we got.
    And the population just sit and look and shug their shoulders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    And the population just sit and look and shug their shoulders.
    Agree with ya WW. It's a disgrace that future generations will look back in amazement. Is ther any example of a dock being emptied, I don't know of any, here or London.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Agree with ya WW. It's a disgrace that future generations will look back in amazement. Is ther any example of a dock being emptied, I don't know of any, here or London.
    Not filled in? Just emptied of water and left? Not that I know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Not filled in? Just emptied of water and left? Not that I know of.
    Sorry WW, I never meant that. I was meaning has any other dock been filled in and then emptied of the rubble and refilled with water.

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    Yesterday I was driving along the Four Bridges road to Seacombe and something caught my eye.

    Those familiar with the area will be aware of the existance of the double gates which give access to the Quay Side at Alfred basin. Just to the south of the gates one section of security railing has been removed and two concrete bollards have been installed.

    There is also a finger post with "Public Footpath" pointing towards the lock. Now this modification has only just been done - it wasn't like that a few days ago.

    It would appear that the former public path which led down from near the river to the "A" lift bridge is being reopened.

    For some years there was squabbling between the rambler's and the then MDHC over this right of way.

    So perhaps Peel are trying harder to be better neighbours than their predecessors?

    Since Peel acquired Mersey Docks, despite grumbles, they have tried to benefit the local community.

    The anglers, ship enthusiasts and wildlife people who were denied access to parts of Liverpool Docks by MD&HC in the wake of ISPS regulations post 9/11 have, since Peel entered the scene, been allowed back in.

    Yes things are tighter now and one has to be a member of a related hobby association - but the company as a whole does appear to be much more reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com View Post
    Yesterday I was driving along the Four Bridges road to Seacombe and something caught my eye.

    Those familiar with the area will be aware of the existance of the double gates which give access to the Quay Side at Alfred basin. Just to the south of the gates one section of security railing has been removed and two concrete bollards have been installed.

    There is also a finger post with "Public Footpath" pointing towards the lock. Now this modification has only just been done - it wasn't like that a few days ago.

    It would appear that the former public path which led down from near the river to the "A" lift bridge is being reopened.

    For some years there was squabbling between the rambler's and the then MDHC over this right of way.

    So perhaps Peel are trying harder to be better neighbours than their predecessors?

    Since Peel acquired Mersey Docks, despite grumbles, they have tried to benefit the local community.

    The anglers, ship enthusiasts and wildlife people who were denied access to parts of Liverpool Docks by MD&HC in the wake of ISPS regulations post 9/11 have, since Peel entered the scene, been allowed back in.

    Yes things are tighter now and one has to be a member of a related hobby association - but the company as a whole does appear to be much more reasonable.

    John
    Let's hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Sorry WW, I never meant that. I was meaning has any other dock been filled in and then emptied of the rubble and refilled with water.
    No. Land by stealth is the aim of Peel and others.
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    Took these on a walk around East Float area yesterday
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    Excellent Joe, There's a great view of Liverpool from there. An amazing view.

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    Landing craft tank LCT7074 lies rusting away in the East Float.The Last surviving craft that took part in the D Day landings,she carried 10 tanks to the Normandy beaches 9 got ashore without being hit.
    At the end of the war she was presented to the Master Mariners of Liverpool
    as a gift by the Admiralty. She became the Clubship Landfall based in Canning Dock before eventually moving to the Bramley Moore Dock.
    She then moved to the East Float as part of The Historic Warships collection
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    The Landfall night-club ship (converted landing craft LCT 7074) can be seen in Canning Dock. The yellow items on the quays are tower cranes in pieces come over from Ireland.

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    Egerton lift bridge at Birkenhead

    Lock gates on the East Float

    Same gates from the other side showing the old tower which is supposed to be getting developed
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    This is the type in WW2. Note the AA guns and coverings around the wheelhouse that make the funnel look shorter, which also looks like it was chopped off a little:


    Photo courtesy of Daniel Lovell

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    Landing craft tank LCT7074 lies rusting away in the East Float.The Last surviving craft that took part in the D Day landings,she carried 10 tanks to the Normandy beaches 9 got ashore without being hit.
    At the end of the war she was presented to the Master Mariners of Liverpool
    as a gift by the Admiralty. She became the Clubship Landfall based in Canning Dock before eventually moving to the Bramley Moore Dock.
    She then moved to the East Float as part of The Historic Warships collection
    which sadly went into liquidation,
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    My brother tells me Eric Carr ,the Liverpool wood sculpturer was a friend of the owner of Club Landfall and lived aboard as watchman while it was in the Canning.
    In 1971 they were told it would have to move out of the Canning as there were plans for the bridge to be sealed. After moving to the Salthouse the plans for the bridge were cancelled. The Master Mariners the original owners sold it to the new owners for ?15,000 which was a lot of money in those days
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    My brother tells me Eric Carr ,the Liverpool wood sculpturer was a friend of the owner of Club Landfall and lived aboard as watchman while it was in the Canning.
    In 1971 they were told it would have to move out of the Canning as there were plans for the bridge to be sealed. After moving to the Salthouse the plans for the bridge were cancelled. The Master Mariners the original owners sold it to the new owners for ?15,000 which was a lot of money in those days
    It remained in Canning Dock. I went aboard a few times. You could see the taper to the bows inside - the disco. I never knew at the time it contained 5 tanks and put 10 down. 9 got to the beaches Troops were also put down. In the after noon they just walked ashore.

    I'm not sure what time of day it put the tanks down on the beach (Gold Beach on D-Day). In the afternoon there would have been not much opposition as the beach was secured by then. If on one of the earlier a.m. waves, it would have used its twin guns on the rear bridge, when coming ashore firing at German beach positions.

    Towards the end of the war work started to convert her to a maintenance ship in the invasion of Japan. Then Japan surrendered. She was built on the Tyne using American engines.

    I would be great if she was put back to dull D-Day spec including guns.
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    Do you know, when it ceased to be used as a club,and who does it belong to now? It would be a pity to lose it,now!

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    The Landfall Story

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    My husband and mother-in-law are shown on the1971 photo on Pg3. It's not clear, but they are on they are standing on the far right of the deck.

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    Pigeon loft, Birkenhead docks
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    Sarsia still lying at rest in the West Float,Birkenhead
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    Road bridge over the Birkenhead docks
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    Bascule bridge at birkenhead docks,still working unlike our side of the river
    Taken yesterday on a walkabout
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