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    Thanks Joe for the views :-)

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    I'm surprised this passageway hasn't been posted. Maybe it's on another thread. Just in case it hasn't been shown; It's the tunnel that connects James Street underground Station to Water Street.

    Many of you will remember running down it on the way to New Brighton, in a gang of course, shouting to get the maximum effect of the echo, because of the tiled walls. I've been hit on the head a few times with a rolled up Paper. This was usually accompanied with the words: "You noisy little B***ard"
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    Thanks Oddsocks, I ahven't seen these views before

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    A small alley leading to the walkway West Drive, on the old colliery branch line of the railroad and then the Old Quay Lane. A small alley with Manor Road Manor Road South with the North, and the small alley leading south end of the Parade.

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    My maternal grandfather used to call such little side streets "back cracks." Interestingly, one Liverpool pub, "Ye Cracke" -- famed as a haunt of the Beatles, poets, and art students, is on such a back crack, Rice Street, off Hope Street.

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    I found these interesting bits on a Neston website-

    http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/Cheshir...hy-Pykes-Weint

    "You write about Pyke's Weint in the news letter. I would like to know the meaning and origin of the word Weint and its relationship to Pyke's in Pyke's Weint. . . . "

    With regard to the usage as in 'Pyke Weint', the definition of 'Weint' is either 'a narrow passage' or 'an alley'.
    Phil McGinty, Neston".

    So now we know.
    Hello Pete

    Well, on reconsideration, I am not so sure about this, Pete. I think it might refer more to the winding nature of such passageways more than being a synonym for "narrow passage" or "alleyway."

    See here--

    "I do not see how we can connect the English substantive went with the well-known Celtic Derwents and Ventas (Welsh gweni). We should, however, compare such a name as Prison Weint, an ancient passage off Water Street, Liverpool, of which a few interesting particulars are given in Stonehouse's 'Streets of Liverpool' (1869), weint, like went, apparently being referable to A.-S. (ge)wind, 'winding way.' Hy. Harrison."

    In William White, Notes and Queries, Oxford University Press, 1901, p. 214, available on Google Books.

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    Ye Crack pub. Long before the John Lennon supped beer between lessons, it was surrounded by back alley courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    My maternal grandfather used to call such little side streets "back cracks."
    We still say it Chris it's an often used expression.
    Also, calling a small narrow alleyway a ginnel. (which I think is probably more of a Lancashire expression ?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    My maternal grandfather used to call such little side streets "back cracks."
    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    We still say it Chris it's an often used expression.
    Also, calling a small narrow alleyway a ginnel. (which I think is probably more of a Lancashire expression ?).
    Thanks, Lindy. You probably still use the expression "jigger" for a back alley too, I suspect.

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    We just call it the entry.


    Ginnels are the very small narrow entries which you could touch both walls at arms width 'entries' are wider.

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    The 'back passage' is not used as much these days on account of its 'more tea vicar' connotations
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    We still say it Chris it's an often used expression.
    Also, calling a small narrow alleyway a ginnel. (which I think is probably more of a Lancashire expression ?).
    There are ginnels in Leeds, but no jiggers as far as I know. The O.E.D. suggests that ginnel may come from the French chenel = narrow passage. Jiggers were possibly named by association with what was alleged to take place in them, viz sexual activity, supposedly from jig-jig (African seamen's dialect).

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    [IMG]old liverpool street by exacta2a, on Flickr[/IMG]

    [IMG]old liverpool street by exacta2a, on Flickr[/IMG]

    [IMG]old liverpool street by exacta2a, on Flickr[/IMG]

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Doh View Post
    There are ginnels in Leeds, but no jiggers as far as I know. The O.E.D. suggests that ginnel may come from the French chenel = narrow passage. Jiggers were possibly named by association with what was alleged to take place in them, viz sexual activity, supposedly from jig-jig (African seamen's dialect).
    I like the York term of Snickelway....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snickelways_of_York

    ...with a link to a "ginnel" -

    "...and is a portmanteau of the words snicket, meaning a passageway between walls or fences, ginnel, a narrow passageway between or through buildings, and alleyway, a narrow street or lane..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    We just call it the entry.
    Ginnels are the very small narrow entries which you could touch both walls at arms width 'entries' are wider.
    Never thought we'd need 'alley gates' on them! Times have changed!


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