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    Thumbs up Albert Dock 1980s Picture

    Amazing image I'm sure you'll agree.

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    Why did they get rid of some of the buidings when they refurbished It? I can see theres some non existant houses like one near west entrance.
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    The Port building has scaffolding around it, in the far right corner,it must be a 25 year cleaning contract.
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    I remember going to the Maritime museum witht the school back then and there was a capstan we used to pull a boat in a bit.

    There was also a dry dock which seemed soooooo deep. ok, I was only about 9 when I went. Any idea which dock it would have been ?

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    Great pic Kev and just how I remember it in the 1970s when we used to throw rocks into the mud and watch them slowly become engulfed in mud and sink. So simple pleasures back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Amazing image I'm sure you'll agree.

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    The 1700s warehouses, bottom left at Dukes Dock, have already been demolished.

    A big difference:
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    Why couldn't they keep the one I marked with a red circle? That would of been awesome to have kept.

    Anyone know what It was used for?
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    The 1966 Harry Hyams, Oldham Estates plan for Albert, Dukes, Canning and Salthouse Docks - `Aquarius City`. The dock basins would be used as underground car parks. The Kings and Queens Dock's transit sheds are seen to the top left, as in 1966 they viewed these commercial docks would remain operative. The plan had much opposition for many reasons, one being too big and too tall - Liverpool's aversion to advancement which persists even today. Albert Dock was also grade 1 listed in 1952, which added to the opposition.

    Harry Hyams said, "these old crocks of protected buildings at the Albert Dock are getting in the way of the world beating water city with six 50 floor glass towers. What good are they? Pull ?em down, we need glass towers."

    The plan was scaled down in 1970 to a one 44 floor tower with smaller buildings around, then forgotten. Harry Hyams was the London developer shark responsible for Centre Point Tower in London.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post


    Why couldn't they keep the one I marked with a red circle? That would of been awesome to have kept.

    Anyone know what It was used for?
    Why didn't they retain moveable bridges to allow vessels larger than small cabin cruisers, canal boats and DUKWs access to Salthouse Dock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com View Post
    Why didn't they retain moveable bridges to allow vessels larger than small cabin cruisers, canal boats and DUKWs access to Salthouse Dock?

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    They cost more and British Waterways only understand canals and canal boats, totally not understanding the Liverpool Docks and the history. Not to allow large vessels into any of those docks is indicative of an authority with no clue whatsoever.

    All the docks should have movable bridges re-instated from Brunswick to Canning. The large Brunswick river lock should be re-instated to accommodate large vessels. They can then enter at Brunswick and move down to Canning. The Canning/Albert river locks are too narrow for some ships
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    Why couldn't they keep the one I marked with a red circle? That would of been awesome to have kept.

    Anyone know what It was used for?
    It is pretty clear it was office accommodation. The chimney stacks give it away.

    Below: Dukes Dock.The building can be seen here, and looks used. Albert Dock to the left - 1964.


    The superb delta potico Brindley warehouses, from the 1700s, were systematically demolished in the 1970s. Brindley designed the Bridgewater canal and many of the locks and bridges too.

    Many Philistines were pressing for Hartley's Albert Dock masterpiece to be dynamited into the dock, for the building of the Polytechnic and its car-park.

    They got their way on the Brindley warehouses adjacent. Thank God we had the likes of Quentin Hughes and Tony Moscardini who could see what was obvious to all but those in power.

    Below: Albert Dock is behind the camera. This Dukes Dock warehouse was demolished in 1964.


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    Another act of vandalism which must rank alongside the usual suspects like the Sailors home, David Lewis and Customs House.
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    Dukes Dock in 1956. Albert Dock to the left. The 1700s warehouses are already being demolished.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    They cost more and British Waterways only understand canals and canal boats, totally not understanding the Liverpool Docks and the history. Not to allow large vessels into any of those docks is indicative of an authority with no clue whatsoever.
    British Waterways only took ownership of the waterways in the south docks a few years ago. The blame for this goes back to the original redevelopment of the Albert Dock.

    What I find really annoying is the negative attitude towards larger vessels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    It is pretty clear it was office accommodation. The chimney stacks give it away.

    Below: Dukes Dock.The building can be seen here, and looks used. Albert Dock to the left - 1964.


    The superb delta potico Brindley warehouses, from the 1700s, were systematically demolished in the 1970s. Brindley designed the Bridgewater canal and many of the locks and bridges too.

    Many Philistines were pressing for Hartley's Albert Dock masterpiece to be dynamited into the dock, for the building of the Polytechnic and its car-park.

    They got their way on the Brindley warehouses adjacent. Thank God we had the likes of Quentin Hughes and Tony Moscardini who could see what was obvious to all but those in power.

    Below: Albert Dock is behind the camera. This Dukes Dock warehouse was demolished in 1964.


    Nice photos Waterways. It's ironic that the same design of warehouses at the Manchester end of the Bridgewater canal have survived as has the earlier Mersey and Irwell navigation warehouse. Both have now been renovated and look superb

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com View Post
    British Waterways only took ownership of the waterways in the south docks a few years ago. The blame for this goes back to the original redevelopment of the Albert Dock.

    What I find really annoying is the negative attitude towards larger vessels.

    John
    Salthouse Dock could have taken many tall ships, but they were berthed in the commercial Wellington Dock way up north from the centre. Peel and British Waterways have a very negative attitude towards large vessels. They think Liverpool is Sheffield or Birmingham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Amazing image I'm sure you'll agree.

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    does anyone know where this image is from? Trying to find the origin or where it can be found.

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    I found this: Interesting stuff....

    http://www.millsmediagroup.com/2010/...e-of-liverpool


    Especially these two photos included:

    "The changes to the famous skyline are obvious when compared to the other images below which were taken in 1966 (looking South over Albert Dock) and 1974 (again looking North)."
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    It looks like it was taken in the early 70's,after the lock gates were opened, and it became tidal? No idea on it's origin,but maybe something to do with a prospective buyer,such as Gerald Zizeman(?) who wanted to build a skyscraper on the site???


    P.S. Does anyone have any pic's or info' on the clock tower that was in the Albert dock?

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    a 1907-ish Photo of the Herculaneum Dock I found while looking this up. Sort of fits here probably.
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    Re: Clocktower

    Albert Dock was designed and built by Liverpool's Chief Dock Engineer Jesse Hartley (1780-1860). His distinctive style gave Liverpool its Wapping Warehouses, its cyclopean stonework and its medievalesque dock architecture. He was a skilled stoneworker but Hartley was not trained or experienced in large-scale warehouse building so in 1843 he wrote to celebrated dock-engineer Philip Hardwick of London to gain his approval. One result of this is that Hardwick gave assistance to Hartley with the Albert Dock. For instance the Dock Offices (the building opposite the Pumphouse Pub with the portico) was designed by Hardwick but modified by Hartley.

    Another one of Hardwicks designs was the clock-tower or turret. You can tell it was done by a different architect as it looks to be part of a different building altogether. Why Hartley didn't design a suitible clock-tower I don't know. Here are some pictures of the tower.
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    Thanks for that Fortinian, it does look quite different from the rest of the dock! There dont seem to be many pic's of the clock tower itself,which makes me think that it went (why/how?) some time ago,in an otherwise functioning dock,which seems unusual?

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    I think it went during WWII bombing.


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    Thanks Ged, never gave WW2 bombing any thought,and is probably why it went!

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    Hi Max,
    This photo was taken in the early 70's, note the WWII bomb damage to the corner of the warehouse. Maybe the surrounding buildings were used to match the fabric of the warehouses when restoration was taking place? The wall in the foreground now has a single storey building running through it, which houses the dock gate controls.

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    "This picture was taken in the early 70"s." And nothing had been done to fix up the damage from the early forties. Can this be true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsette View Post
    "This picture was taken in the early 70"s." And nothing had been done to fix up the damage from the early forties. Can this be true?

    Fix up the damage? Around that time they were talking about knocking the lot down!
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    They must have been in a foul mood. What stopped them?

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