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    The Capital of Culture draws to an end. What are your thoughts? Was it a success did you play an active part? Has it made you more European? Has Liverpool promoted itself as a City of outstanding artistic talent and creativity? Well some might have a cynical slant and others may have conceived it to be something completely different, and if you like have taken a minority interest perspective. Then there is the time warp of popular culture that fixes us permanently in a Beatle culture and show biz cocoon. I personally think that we should encourage the new generation of scousers to believe that they too can create a Liverpool scene totally new and their own. Was it a success in my eyes? Well I visited a few times and I never cried it down. I think the fast pace of change can alienate people and this years experience helps people to realize that. What is a scouser? If you love the city then you take an interest in what is happening. Liverpool is a unique City as we all know and with the limited resources we have to we make the best of it. I went to the Walker and the Museums every time I came, I always do that anyway. Early on in the year I saw a bloke with his lad walking around the Museum and I thought to myself that he was doing the right thing as a good Father. I know many more family orientated people took their kids around and got involved and that is what it was all about. Some people were critical of the council but that is part and parcel of political Culture and to be expected. Well in the coming months there will be a review of the events and also a lot of feedback that I will follow with interest. I think it was worthwhile and gave people a chance to reflect not only on the past but on the future of Liverpool.


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    I think 2008 along with 2007 [800th birthday] have been huge and its surely unprecedented for any UK city to have had so much in such a small space of time.

    For me, I haven't measured success upon how it effected places away from the city center, I know there have been issues engaging people on a local level. If I have wanted to have been involved in something, I've took myself off to it, rather than waiting for it to filter down.

    What interests/ed me have been the millions of extra 'new' visitors to the city who previously would have had that barrier of 'poor Liverpool/scouse stereotypes' in front of them before. Couple that with more frequent visitors from the wider region, Warrington, Wirral, North Wales etc and you have yourself a city in the local and wider media again for the right reasons.

    People are more confident to talk Liverpool and its people 'up' in a variety of social circles these days which is great!

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    It was a sucess but a little overrated.

    Not enough events stood out and most events we had annually anyway. La Machine, MTV Awards, the lambananas dotted around and others like the opening ceremony were only few that you could consider capital of culture.
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    I see where you?re coming from Kev. The financial reward is important to the City. I had the misfortune of coming up against some very dark and cynical voices on the Echo forum. Thankfully that is over. All Cities are multicultural that is the reality of City life. I think the Chinese Olympics gave this new century a reality check too. What for me is the real benefit of 2008 for Liverpool is the idea of real regeneration. With the economic gloom of the past two months that might appear to be over optimistic. Yet if you consider the geographical factor that the City is not the busy Atlantic port it once was then you can see the need for innovative planning. The City has to respond to the changes. The point about Liverpool becoming a shopping center and cultural centre for the wider Merseyside community is also of interest and very welcome. I think the label of down trodden scousers has been a millstone around us. The year brought about a sense of social cohesion for the City. I don?t doubt that the arguments about what Culture is will go on. Visiting the town centre myself I noticed that the general attitude was that Liverpool is a place of interest. Sometimes you might feel that we could think bigger. Yet the consideration that as a port we have lost the trade routes has to be taken. I remember being in the playground of Saint Joan of Arc Bootle during the seaman?s strike of the sixties. The Mersey was clogged up with ships, all you could see was funnels of the different shipping lines. Well that?s gone and the majority of trade now is cross channel. I personally would like to see a reemergence of Atlantic shipping or at least an increase. That might still happen as the economic union of Europe is slightly unpredictable and the presence of three major ports on the periphery is something that might be utilized in coming years. All in all the year has to be seen as of benefit to the City.
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    Question Well was it a Success

    Source Liverpool echo.

    A debate on the effects Liverpool's year as Capital of Culture has had on the city will be led by Culture Secretary Andy Burnham.

    Experts will also discuss the issues raised in a recent research project set up to evaluate the social, cultural, economic and environmental impact.

    Research found 75% of new visitors to Liverpool were influenced by the fact it was culture capital for the year.

    The debate is being held at the University of Liverpool later.

    Deputy Chair of the Culture Company, Phil Redmond, will also attend, along with Chief Executive of Arts Council England, Alan Davey, University of Liverpool Pro-Vice-Chancellor and author of Liverpool 800, Professor John Belchem and Director of Impacts 08 research project, Dr Beatriz Garcia.

    'Future progress'

    Impacts 08 was a joint project between the University of Liverpool and Liverpool John Moores University.

    It found that many of the landmark Capital of Culture events brought in millions of pounds to the city's economy.

    The Tall Ships event, held in July, brought in ?8.2m, and the Liverpool Sound Paul McCartney concert brought in ?5m.

    Vice-Chancellor, Professor Sir Howard Newby, said: "The university has played a major role in the city's cultural programme throughout 2008 and we will continue to support the city in its development."

    He added: "Liverpool's year as Capital of Culture generated great energy and excitement in and around the city and we hope this will be sustained as we look forward to 2009."

    Well thats the official debate and other perspectives will be offered I think we can all look back now and think about 08 in a more relaxed way.
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    Default was it worth it ?

    Now before the blades come out let me finish before you send the heavies in.
    Whe I first went to Liverpool I was warned about all the tea leaves & the liverpool scallies.
    I did notice that litter was one of the biggest drawbacks in the city.
    As I have said before there is great buildingd there , and the locals never look up and see them.
    Driving along the east lancs I saw a white wall. Wrong it was a fence covered in litter. People stop their cars and dumped rubbish in black bags on the central res. I could not beleave it.
    I have heard the locals saying "ALBERT DOCK" waste of money. They say"it's for the rich not us" money does make you rich self esstem and pride do that better. How wrong can they be .Bus load of people come from all over the countryto visit the dock.
    To me that put liverpool in it's place. Dirty gang of thugs. why should we care. etc. But that was yesteryear. Now the albert dock Cof c and liverpool one has put new life into the people. They are now proud of their city.
    I married a liverpool lass from Ermine street, and was married in walton Church.in 1970
    Yes there is still the baddies , but the people have pride now .
    I say good on yea liverpool people and don't let them baddies drag you down.
    And so they should be proud. But please you have been given a good start to 2009 lets see it kept up. It's only the people themself that can do it.
    Yes it brought cash in, but more important it brought pride.I think pride is more important than cash.
    good luck
    Ron
    Last edited by Ron B Manderson; 01-07-2009 at 12:53 PM.

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