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    Have you ever thought you knew something then when you sat down and thought about it, realised that you didn't really know much for sure?

    I was just about to write a paragraph about the Baltic Triangle when I began to wonder what really gave it its name. I've always thought that Baltic timber yards and shipping lines were based there but now I wonder. Where the timber yards really owned by Baltic companies or just by British ones who imported the wood from Scandinavia? Were there any Scandinavian shipping or fishing companies based there? Or just British ones which traded with the Baltic ports? I seem to remember that the whaling industry was around there - was that controlled by the Scandinavians? I guess I'm wondering if the connection was just through the products that came from the Baltic states (and if so, what were they) or if Baltic companies actually operated from there? I know the Scandinavian church was/is there and I wonder if Scandinavians actually lived in the area or if it was just Baltic seamen who visited the church.


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    The pub?

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    And the docks,a lot of Baltic traders plied those docks carrying the cargoes to and from all of the Baltic countries. Where there are now swish apartments and tourists shops and restaurants there was once merchant ships ,mostly British,that ploughed the northern seas crewed, by men who earned their bread through hard labour. I cannot go to the Albert Dock without recalling the smells and sounds of yesteryear,I'm a sad git really.

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    The local Scandinavian Church/seaman's mission may give a clue. Scandinavian ships also were plentiful around those docks. Yes, a lot of trade with the Baltic around there at one time.
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    There was a R M S Baltic which sailed the translantic run from the Liverpool to America from that area of the docks,(Brunswick and Queens) that is why the Coburg pub was originally known as the Translantic hotel,where passengers going to america would stay overnight so I presume they would also stay in the Baltic Fleet. The Baltic was one of the white star line`s largest ships
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    There was a R M S Baltic which sailed the translantic run from the Liverpool to America from that area of the docks,(Brunswick and Queens) that is why the Coburg pub was originally known as the Translantic hotel,where passengers going to america would stay overnight so I presume they would also stay in the Baltic Fleet. The Baltic was one of the white star line`s largest ships
    It was the largest ship in the world until SS Kaiserin Auguste Victoria in 1905, which then was eclipsed by RMS Lusitania in 1907. It would have to enter via the Brunswick river locks as the ship was quite long and doing 90 degree turns in the docks would have been difficult to impossible.
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    Thanks guys, interesting replies. The R M S Baltic doesn't seem to have any particular reason for being so named as far as I can find out, other than that all White Star ships ended in -ic. It seems she warned the Titanic of ice ahead before she sank. Ended up scrapped in Osaka - sad.
    There seems to have been lots of Scandinavian ships and trade in the area and the surrounding docks - still not too sure if any of the Scandinavians owned any companies, offices etc.on land or whether it was just goods they supplied. I know timber came from the Baltic states and I think we took over coal to them. Not sure if I imagined this, but had a feeling that they also bought over fish oils, whalemeat etc. Surprisingly hard to find out much on Baltic Triangle. Other areas of Liverpool bring up tons of information on-line but not BT. If they succeed in renaming it the "Independent Artists Quarter," I expect there'll be even less!

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    It was mainly just trade. The Scandinavians didn't own too much. They had shipping offices, etc. The docks along there in turn dealt with wood imports, so a large Baltic trade. Yes, fish and whale oils were imported by the Scandinavians.

    Greenland St was where the short lived Liverpool whaling fleet was based - around the Coburg Dock.
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    Thanks Waterways. I should have realised from the name of the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    There was a R M S Baltic which sailed the translantic run from the Liverpool to America from that area of the docks,(Brunswick and Queens) that is why the Coburg pub was originally known as the Translantic hotel,where passengers going to america would stay overnight so I presume they would also stay in the Baltic Fleet. The Baltic was one of the white star line`s largest ships
    found out the other day one of my gt uncles was a steward on The Baltic in the 1920's. he also served on the Mauritania and Scythia.
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    It was a massive ship. Seems it also took part in the rescue of the passengers of another ship. Not sure when that was tho' - might have been before your uncle's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julieoapw View Post
    It was a massive ship. Seems it also took part in the rescue of the passengers of another ship. Not sure when that was tho' - might have been before your uncle's time.
    I knew from history she sent warnings to but didn't know about the other stuff...

    from wikipedia ...On 23 January 1909 (commanded by J.B. Ranson) she rescued survivors of the collision in fog between the White Star Line's RMS Republic and the SS Florida off the north eastern coast of the U.S., after which Republic sank.

    In April 1912 the Baltic sent ice warnings to the RMS Titanic before that ship sank.

    She was also involved in a rescue on 6 December 1929, when she assisted the sinking schooner Northern Light.


    although he did a voyage on her in 1929 he wasn't on board for the Northern Light rescue.

    thanks for that Julie I hadn't got around to looking into the ships he served on too much yet as I'm still getting over the surprise of family I didn't know I had.
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    RMS Baltic:


    She was around when RMS Republic went down off the USA. Republic is reputed to still have gold on board:

    The Official RMS Republic Website

    RMS Republic:


    Here she is sinking:
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    Quote Originally Posted by quincyg View Post
    from wikipedia ...[B]On 23 January 1909 (commanded by J.B. Ranson) she rescued survivors of the collision in fog between the White Star Line's RMS Republic and the SS Florida off the north eastern coast of the U.S., after which Republic sank.
    Hi, my ggrandad was one of the crew of the Baltic in 1909. They all got a CQD medal for their part in the rescue. CQD (come quick danger) was the emergency call before SOS. A photo is (hopefully) attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redjed1 View Post
    Hi, my ggrandad was one of the crew of the Baltic in 1909. They all got a CQD medal for their part in the rescue. CQD (come quick danger) was the emergency call before SOS. A photo is (hopefully) attached.
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    Terrific. What does it say on the medal? I believe the Titanic used CQD and then the new SOS.
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    Hi, unfortunately the medal passed down another line of the family. I haven't seen it in a long time.

    The writing at the bottom reads "The SS Republic", then a number. The medal came with a blue-white and yellow/green ribbon.


    The website for more info is The Official RMS Republic Website

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    Construction on the dock road has been terrible, not just by the Baltic Fleet either. They seem to keep redoing the pavements by where the Red Ship near Mann Island Is.

    The builders don't clean up after themselves properly leaving allkinds of debris on the roads like sand.
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    My son and i got thinking about the Baltic Fleet. Why on earth was trade with the Baltic based on the west coast - about as far from the Baltic as you can get in the UK? Surely it would have been more sense to base the Baltic Fleet on the east coast?

    Or is the pub named after the Imperial Russian Navy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danensis View Post
    My son and i got thinking about the Baltic Fleet. Why on earth was trade with the Baltic based on the west coast - about as far from the Baltic as you can get in the UK? Surely it would have been more sense to base the Baltic Fleet on the east coast?

    Or is the pub named after the Imperial Russian Navy?

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    Timber came in. Beer from Burton and ship & maintenance materials went out. In the 1700s and early 1800s transporting across land was slow and expensive, so best to go direct to the ports in bulk with ships.
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