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    I went on a history walk, related to the slave trade, in the Liverpool today and one of the things that was discussed was the original church, St Peter's, which was in Church Street - well gone of course. This led to a discussion about the small gold cross - which I remember very well, and so did others so:


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    Does anyone know what's happened to the small gold cross that was in the pavement outside the old Woolies building in Church Street? The cross, I believe, was a memorial for the original church, knocked down for road widening.

    I hope that it hasn't been lost in all the renovations - because it's a part of our city's history and I always remember it being there.

    I'd be grateful for any news on this.

    Thanks!

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    I've mentioned this in a few threads as my gt grandparents married in St Peter's, Church St. as far as I'm aware it's still behind the hoardings that are up for the renovations to Top Shop etc.

    I'm actually waiting to hear back from an inquiry I made to Grosvenor a few days ago about the cross. as soon as I get a reply I'll post it up.

    here's part of the wedding certificate showing the church
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    The cross i believe marked the spot where the alter was

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    Quote Originally Posted by quincyg View Post
    I've mentioned this in a few threads as my gt grandparents married in St Peter's, Church St. as far as I'm aware it's still behind the hoardings that are up for the renovations to Top Shop etc.

    I'm actually waiting to hear back from an inquiry I made to Grosvenor a few days ago about the cross. as soon as I get a reply I'll post it up.

    here's part of the wedding certificate showing the church


    Thanks for replying - that picture and certificate are brilliant. Will show them to the person who lead the walk.

    Will wait for those hoardings to come down and check for the cross and will be very interested in what the developers reply.

    Thanks again.

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    I suppose it's possible that the original pavement, complete with cross, is still beneath the new paving... hopefully!

    Here's a link to a thread from 2007...

    http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/bui...ch-street.html
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    It's still there and visible now that Keys Court has opened.
    It's brass, not gold, and has suffered some damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    and has suffered some damage.
    TUT. will have a look next week when I go into town. If it's really bad I may be sending another email to Grosvenor.
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    Here's the info. page from Toxteth.net (the picture links don't work, though).
    St Peters Church, Church Street, Liverpool
    The cross had tar stains when I photographed it two years ago. I noticed the slab/cross last week.

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    Marky.
    It's because we've been linking back to toxteth.net that it's come off.

    Ironically, it's interesting that we can still link back.

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    Luckily the Web Archive stores pages and pages of 'lost' websites. The information pages will probably be available for a couple of years yet.
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    The cross was put there to mark where the Church had been, not where the alter was.

    If you ever pass St Helen's Parish Church and hear the 10 bells being rung, they were the actual bells taken from the Pro-Cathedral on Church Street and I always get a shiver knowing I'm listening to exactly the same sound as how Church Street would have heard them many years ago.

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    Strictly speaking, it marks the boundary of the site of the church.

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    phew not as bad as I was expecting

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    Thanks for the pictures quincyp. I'm going down town next Wednesday so will have a look at it then. I also want to see St Peter's Lane, which I beleive has been opened up? Do you know anything about this?

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    Funny how the mind plays tricks upon you - I looked at it today and I had remembered it as much bigger than it actually is.

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    phew not as bad as I was expecting


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    The cross was always on the kerb when the road was there.
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    Does anyone remember this guy,who used to stand on,or near, the cross, I think,till the nineties?

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    Yes Steve. You'll see him near the top of this page too, in splendid technicolour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    The cross was always on the kerb when the road was there.
    as far as I'm aware it's still in the original kerbing
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Does anyone remember this guy,who used to stand on,or near, the cross, I think,till the nineties?
    yeah I remember him. great photo. the ones around by Marks and Williamson Sq now don't wear owt like that these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Yes Steve. You'll see him near the top of this page too, in splendid technicolour.

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    about 2 thirds down, top pic next to the one of the lady putting 2 fingers up to camera that says Well that's what I think of the World Cup 86. Give me Corrie any day.
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    I know the one you mean, was going to put that in my caption actually but he may have come after me, looks a big fellow
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    Some great characters there Ged! One day they're there, then a couple of years pass, before you realise they've gone....probably for ever! Do you remember "Chicken George" the big black guy,who made quite an impression when he entered a pub!(another one who just disappeared,though I heard he'd died?)Also, is that page on your site meant to be mainly blank?I could only see the top part! (probably my p/c)

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    It should be a full page Steve but it might take a few mins to fully upload cos of the amount of pics.

    I remember Chicken George, he always had a snooker cue with him and shouted things out, wore a big hat and had grey stubble. He was a gentle giant though, loud but would engage in amiable conversation with you.

    I knew his actual surname but just can't think of it at the mo, he was friends with my pa-in-laws brother who knocked around with Sonny Philips and Jobo Jones who had clubs in Temple street and Cumberland street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    It should be a full page Steve but it might take a few mins to fully upload cos of the amount of pics.

    I remember Chicken George, he always had a snooker cue with him and shouted things out, wore a big hat and had grey stubble. He was a gentle giant though, loud but would engage in amiable conversation with you.

    I knew his actual surname but just can't think of it at the mo, he was friends with my pa-in-laws brother who knocked around with Sonny Philips and Jobo Jones who had clubs in Temple street and Cumberland street.
    Ta Ged,
    do you know what happened to him, is he dead? And while I think on, do you have any info' on the "Byrom" pub? Someone I got talking to, asked me if I could find out anything about it, as his mum was the manager there,in the 60's/70's, I think!
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    I believe he did die, a few years ago now.

    The Byrom pub known locally as 'the pie shop' was only demolished a couple of years ago and is now a car park.

    In 1979 when I worked in St. John's house, St. John's Lane (along with Martin off Yo), we all piled into the pie shop one dinner time for one of the lad's 18th birthday, his name was Alan Constantine and he worked with us too, there were about 30 of us doing the building up. Anyway, the bosses got wind off someone that that's where we were when we didn't come back after the normal hour.

    After spending 10 minutes insisting we all go back which fell on deaf ears he decided to join us for one and then left telling us we had 15 mins to get back. We did stroll back about half an hour later.

    My mam used to go the pie shop with one of her brothers and their mam in the 1970s. It became Flash Harry's in the 1980s - complete with neon sign but lay empty throughout most of the 1990s.
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    Hi Ged,
    you've got me wondering if I've got the right name/pub now? I remember where "Flash Harry's" is/was,but the pub I'm on about is an older building,as you can see on the attached photo.Is this this an older version of the same pub?

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    Ah, well that one was the Byrom Arms listed at 32-34 Byrom st and 2-4 Hunter Street so was on the opposite side to the later Byrom (pie shop) that I know.

    Here is the caption from 'A pub on every corner' by Freddy O'Connor.

    This photo is from 1912 when run by George Henry Allen with adjoining cocoa rooms. The pub replaced an earlier 1870s structure named Brunswick Buildings, part of which housed a spirits vaults and a wine and spirit dealer.

    That side of Hunter Street was demolished in the late 60s to accommodate the Churchill Way Eastbound Flyover.
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    Thanks for clearing that one up Ged! Just the pub opposite the Glasshouse now

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    I seen this cross last Saturday and was intrigued to know what it was, good job I came on here.

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