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    Default Obscure Stories of Liverpool

    I've created this thread for any historical stories about Liverpool that have been largely forgotten. In the course of my research I have come accross many weird and wonderful tales which I am glad to share with you all - may are available in the LRO archives of the Mercury, Porcupine, Advertiser etc... Others pop up all over the country. You just have to have the time and patience to look.

    I'll be begin with this rather charming tale of the early days of the railways.


    ADVERTISING





    The Derby Mercury, Wednesday, October 20, 1830; Issue 5128
    Original From the Manchester Advertiser


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    Fascinating stuff fortinian. I'm looking forward to more of these.
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    Here's todays offering; I may not be able to do them daily all the time but i'll try.

    Liverpool Mercury, Friday, December 15, 1820; Issue 497.


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    A woman gored to death on Bold street? Amazing stuff! And, yet again, a really nice little slice of 1Liverpool life in the 1800s.
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    Long before football there was another reason for the Liverpool-Manchester rivalry. Good to see that the scousers of yore could take it in a light-hearted way!

    From: Kaleidoscope; or, Literary and scientific mirror, Feb 1825


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    The First Judical Use of St Georges Hall - The Crinoline Mystery!

    The Preston Guardian, Saturday, December 11, 1858; Issue 2415.



    An early sexual pervert (like a shoe fetisher?) or really the works of an "insane Irishman"?

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    Very odd behaviour ! A phobia about hoops !

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    Sorry it's been a while; here are two notices which I think may be of interest:

    Liverpool Mercury

    The first, as far as I can tell is about a group of Street Lamp Lighters who arrived in Leeds claiming that they were from Liverpool (and probably well thought of there). When this notice reaches Liverpool the Mercury doesn't know a thing about these Lighters. Probably means that they were con-men who duped an entire city into believing they were something they are not!

    The second one is quite nice incedentally, gives a rather nice impression of Liverpool at this period.


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    Brilliant stuff there Fortinian. Keep em coming as often as you can.
    Lamplighters of Liverpool. Brilliant

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    Unforseen misfortune
    Oh as I was young and easy in the mercy of his means,
    Time held me green and dying
    Though I sang in my chains like the sea.

    Dylan Thomas

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    I have a book called LIVERPOOL ODDITIES, I have to get something from there. I do remember it talks about the 1 o'clock gun which went 'off' at 1pm every weekday. (I remember this) it was because all the clockmakers, mostly ships clocks and such were all in the same area.

    Yikes, I may not remember this story as well as I thought so I will get the book and copy it!!! It started in 1867 (I don't remember that)
    Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

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    Perhaps the second story of the last offering could be better explained by Cadfael - our resident camponologist (bell-ringer I think!)

    Here are two little 'uns for today:

    An Absconded Wife and some Untrustworthy Americans

    Friday, September 18, 1812 - Liverpool Mercury



    One wonders if the American War of 1812 (the War of Independence - round 2 ) had anything to do with the troubles with the ship.

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    Looks like they had far more expansive pallets than we do today! Sorry I've lost the details to this one but it's from the early 1800s.


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    Turtles head and being near to the toilets there springs to mind.
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    Default Ever Wondered Who Would Win Between a Robin and a Toad?

    Ever Wondered Who Would Win Between a Robin and a Toad? Read on to find out:

    Also, the FIRST recorded vessel to navigate from Warrington to Dublin - must have been quite a dangerous journey given the shallowness of the river beyond Liverpool.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    Ever Wondered Who Would Win Between a Robin and a Toad?

    This would make a good sketch for Harry Hill's TV burp - ever seen it?
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    Default I'm sorting out my photos today... it explains the deluge

    Yeah, I love Harry Hill. I did have the urge to type 'FIGHT' after it.

    This next one is very interesting, it has all the hall-marks of Greyfriars Bobby - the dog that sat on his masters grave for 14 years in Edinburgh. But the story of Greyfriars Bobby was not around until 1858 - 11 years AFTER this Liverpool incident.

    Did Liverpool have the original Greyfriars Bobby? - God I sound like Slemen now!
    Well, at least i've referenced it: Liverpool Mercury Friday, June 25, 1847


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    Humane? A matter of opinion there.

    You do hear of them making remarkable trks though, following the scent etc.

    A mate of mine's parents took their dog along great homer street in the 1970s and unleashed it, sending it to fetch something then ducked away with the sole intention of losing the poor thing as it was becoming unmanageable.

    It was scraping at the door only an hour after they got back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    Sorry it's been a while; here are two notices which I think may be of interest:

    Liverpool Mercury

    The first, as far as I can tell is about a group of Street Lamp Lighters who arrived in Leeds claiming that they were from Liverpool (and probably well thought of there). When this notice reaches Liverpool the Mercury doesn't know a thing about these Lighters. Probably means that they were con-men who duped an entire city into believing they were something they are not!

    The second one is quite nice incedentally, gives a rather nice impression of Liverpool at this period.


    Aye, the Ancient Society of College Youths (which is still going) tried to ring a peal on the 8 of the 12 bells at St Nick's Pier Head. A peal is constant ringing from anything from 2 hours up to 5 hours depending on the weight of the bells and how many are used. They rang 'Oxford Treble Bob Major' - major being rung on 8 bells. A peal is 5040 'changes' in which the bells are constantly changing in their sound i.e. 12345678, 12345687, 12346587....it would appear that when conducting the method (think of singing a very long song but rather than learning the whole song, you remember parts about it that remind you of the whole song) the changes went wrong after 3 hours and they could not class it as a full 'peal'. It's complicated stuff

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    Thanks for clearing that up Cad. I'm glad to get the oppinion of someone with experience - most people i've spoken to (and myself) were utterly confused about what the 'unforseen misfortune' was.

    In light of what you said, the article seems to make more sense now - the 'misfortune' wasn't elaborated on because it wasn't of great importance (like an accident would have been)... just a mistake in the changes.

    Cheers Cad

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    As the weather is getting cooler, I thought i'd post this one - these must have been bloody brave lads.

    (Remember guys, read some of the the 'f' as 's' and it should make sense)



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    More winter related stories: here we have Mr John Moss of Otterspool allowing people to skate on the frozen lake in his grounds.



    I believe Kev posted a nice picture of John Moss's Otterspool house here.




    The St Domingo lake was located at the bottom of Mere Lane in Everton.
    The curlers national game probably means that they were Scottish.

    One more, this one has a rather tragic aspect:



    This'll probably be my last post on this thread before Christmas, so Merry Christmas One and All!

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    All the best Fortinian. I suspect Sheilsy and a couple of Beacon lane locals on his site will be interested in the St. Domingo pit snippet, is it alright to copy it over to them?
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    Feel free, if you want to put them in touch with me i'll happily forward anything else I have about St Domingo to them.

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    Cheers.
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    Still really enjoying these Fortinian, you should do a book!
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    Default The Mystery Shooting of Hanover Street!

    Thanks for the vote of confidence guys! I really enjoy finding these little snippets and bringing them to you. Hope you'll enjoy the ones I have to come.

    Gun crime in the 19th century!


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    These next few contain a few grusome details, so those of delicate constitution don't read the top one. I've been going through the late 1700s for these, so remember if a word looks like it's got an 'f' where there shouldn't be, try reading it as an 's'.

    BOY DEAD AT CHILDWALL, 1770


    SOLDIER DRINKS HIMSELF TO DEATH 1778


    VICAR EATS HIMSELF TO DEATH 1787


    DUEL AT WAVERTREE 1792

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    Very good Fortinian.
    The poor vicar. Oh plums!!!

    Keep em' coming

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    A fair duel in wavertree
    Oh as I was young and easy in the mercy of his means,
    Time held me green and dying
    Though I sang in my chains like the sea.

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