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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    If you could tell all of life fron a photograph, what's the point of going anywhere?
    Perhaps we don't all have the luxury of wealth to travel everywhere we would like to visit.

    Anyway architecture is meant to be a visual art, so what's wrong with illustrating it with pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danensis View Post
    Perhaps we don't all have the luxury of wealth to travel everywhere we would like to visit.

    Anyway architecture is meant to be a visual art, so what's wrong with illustrating it with pictures?
    Well everything really. Architecture is neither a painting nor is it a visual art alone. It is visual but has to experienced to be appreciated. In short you have to be there.

    Accepting that you can't be there yourself, I don't think it's on to offer categorical opinion based on pictures alone.

    Even if it were, where are the other 'centres' that you have seen that are just like this? which one has a park? which is a series of streets? and all the other things that people have commented on and liked.

    You have to feel sorry for all those who have spent their time trying to make a difference to Liverpool for some to dismiss it as ordinary on the basis of a 'few' pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petromax View Post
    Well everything really. Architecture is neither a painting nor is it a visual art alone. It is visual but has to experienced to be appreciated. In short you have to be there.

    Accepting that you can't be there yourself, I don't think it's on to offer categorical opinion based on pictures alone.

    Even if it were, where are the other 'centres' that you have seen that are just like this? which one has a park? which is a series of streets? and all the other things that people have commented on and liked.

    You have to feel sorry for all those who have spent their time trying to make a difference to Liverpool for some to dismiss it as ordinary on the basis of a 'few' pictures.
    I can appreciate Manhattan's skyscrapers without visiting the place.

    Liverpool One's park could justifiably be called a "roof garden", and one wonders if it would have been created if there hadn't already been a park on the previous site.

    As for the streets.
    Compare the present with an old map, and most of the old streets have been obliterated.
    I bet everybody will get lost when the other side of Paradise Street opens in September.

    Having said all that, I quite like it, if only because the buses now take me all the way into town, and Paradise Street is a short cut to the rest of town.

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    My only grumble is that, for north enders, it is a bit of hike over to it. Our busses put us off by the Royal Court, so it is quite a walk over from there.

    The next nearer stop is to get off near the town hall and walk through.

    Both ways as broad as they are long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    I can appreciate Manhattan's skyscrapers without visiting the place.

    Liverpool One's park could justifiably be called a "roof garden", and one wonders if it would have been created if there hadn't already been a park on the previous site.

    As for the streets.
    Compare the present with an old map, and most of the old streets have been obliterated.
    I bet everybody will get lost when the other side of Paradise Street opens in September.

    Having said all that, I quite like it, if only because the buses now take me all the way into town, and Paradise Street is a short cut to the rest of town.
    But when you go to Manhattan you find out what it's really like.

    The 'park' was in fact a bit of grassed-over bomb site. These are the only lost streets and they were lost in the war. This is now a proper park and a real civic amenity. Actually I would have preferred it to be built up, replacing the lost streets, but imagine the howls of protest at the loss of 5 acres of prime wasteland!

    The other side of Paradise Street has one new street - New Manesty's Lane - if people are lost, then they would have been lost before.

    I think it's a great achievement after years of oppoprtunities to moan about 'broken promises' that's about to turn the whole city round (as well as make your bus journey easier)

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    I've been to manhatten, the only pleasent bit from my perspective is from a ferry, ellis island, the statue of liberty or from the top of a sky scraper. Walking around new york itself your constantly in shadows, bins and binbags line the roads as there are no real allyways or space for refuse. The only real option is to get the underground which is fantastic. Come night time you can't really see any of those spectacular buldings untill your standing practically right underneath them that and the rats come out to play. Having said that individually the buildings when either viewed from afar or from the top of a sky scraper are spectacular and the facilities like the met and the natural history museam and the South Street Seaport are second to none.

    I guess in all its down to personal taste. I prefered Washinton DC to new york in terms of architecture mainly because i could appreciate the whole building from many angles not just. Having said that also, interms of a skyline new york is stunning but a sky-line and architecture is two completly different things in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broliv View Post
    I've been to manhatten, the only pleasent bit from my perspective is from a ferry, ellis island, the statue of liberty or from the top of a sky scraper... ...Having said that also, interms of a skyline new york is stunning but a sky-line and architecture is two completly different things in my opinion.
    Manhattan is intimidating and maybe it's meant to be, to be 'impressive'. It's not Liverpool. A Liverpool Manhattan would be open and friendly at street level, reflecting the character of the population.

    I don't think Wirral Waters or Liverpool Waters understand this... yet?

    A skyline can be designed as one 'building' as much as it's individual buildings can be. Design controls are used in New York and other cities (Sydney) to deliberately design and sculpt the skyline.

    For me, Liverpool needs both; a great skyline to express its ambition and international outlook and great, urban but friendly streets.

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    Hello strangers

    Not posted on here for a while now (I was spending too long on the www and not enough on the "real world"!) but I thought I'd pop back to voice my opinion on Liverpool One after taking such a big interest in its construction.

    I went there on the grand opening day and i was made up with it - 4 weeks later I still am, I'm no shopaholic by any means but I enoy a stroll round the "new" streets and stores at lunchtime. I've made good use of the massive staircase by John Lewis's to sit in the sunshine (when we have some), and I can't wait for the park to open in a few months.

    Comparing South John St to Church St yes it's a helluva lot narrower, but somehow I don't see it as claustrophobic even with the bridges and escalators and staircases - it's narrow, but being on 2 levels (3 when the rest is open) it's not too crowded.

    In the last few months of construction I was dubious about some of the architecture, seen from my work (police hq) some of the buildings looked a bit "simple", uninspiring, and angular-for-the-sake-of-it but now, up-close they look better.

    All in all, I'm made up with it, big to all the designers, planners and builders (the ones still at work looked made up on opening day!)

    BUT - my only let-down so far - what's with the new WH Smiths - it's tiny! Why shut the huge Church St one and move to a pokey, cramped little place!

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    Quote Originally Posted by quincyg View Post
    perhaps Q should take over the other city car parks. especially the one on Mount Pleasant. one of my step daughters was quite unnerved using it the other week.
    I noticed yesterday, the Q Park logo is on the top of the old Hanover St carpark now. That place is a dump, I hope they do a good job of tidying it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain View Post
    I noticed yesterday, the Q Park logo is on the top of the old Hanover St carpark now. That place is a dump, I hope they do a good job of tidying it up.
    Did I hear it was going to be demolished, and isn't the new building opposite a car park?

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    That's what I thought - thinking about it, I saw the Q Park logo sticking up above the rooftops from the Chavasse Park steps and thought it was the Hanover St one, but it may well be the Gradwell St one. I'll investigate further


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    http://www.liverpoolpsda.co.uk/Proje...ans/site22.htm

    Sites 21 & 22

    The corner of Hanover Street and Seel Street on the site of the former Seel Street multi-storey and ground level car parks, which are to be demolished.

    URBAN FORM
    Multi storey buildings restoring the buiding line of Hanover Street and presenting active frontages to Hanover Street and Seel Street. Of particular importance is the relationship with the adjacent listed public house and the way in which the Hanover Street/Seel Street corner terminates the vista from College Lane. The layout will encourage natural grade level linkages into Rope Walks towards Concert Square.

    USES
    All blocks accommodate retail/or catering use at ground level.

    Site 22

    Between Seel Street and Fleet Street.
    URBAN FORM
    A sequence of 4-5 storey buildings in keeping with the surrounding Rope Walks scale. Small scale courts utilise the fall across the site to create interesting level changes and define terraced areas linking Hanover Street with Concert Square.

    USES
    Principally bar/restaurant use at grade level linking with terraced areas in small courtyards. Residential and studio/office uses at high level.

    SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS
    An entrance to the underground service area beneath site 21 to be incorporated.

    MATERIALS
    Suitable materials for the Rope Walks context as site 19.

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    Korova are now opening a bar/restaurant in Liverpool One,another good addition imo.

    http://www.korova-liverpool.com/about.php

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    Korova is a great bar
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    There's a new Mexican fast food chain opening too,this is another great addition for Liverpool One,I can't wait until it's all fully open.

    http://www.barburrito.co.uk/

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    Mexican food eh, there will be more stinky toilets around now.
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    Why does Liverpool one close at 8 when there's the Speke retail closing at 9? Wouldn't they want to compete?
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    The shops will shut Max but the cinema,bars and restaurants will remain open.That's the cut off point for the shops were the night time economy takes over.

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    Took my first visit to Liverpool One this morning. What a fabulous place!

    We arrived at the QPark and walked through the joining bridge thingy into John Lewis.

    From there we had a mooch around and came out by Chavasse Park. Excellent. It was clear at this stage how the project has opened up and brought the waterfront back into the spotlight rather than it being away and cut off.

    It reminded me of the Trafford Centre at first glance but it felt different, the TC will always have that detached feeling away from anything else whereas the Liverpool connects Lord Street and Church Street together and still feels part of the City of Liverpool.

    I felt proud to see so much good stuff, people cleaning, polite and well-spoken sales assistants and managers/ supervisers [all Liverpudlians, the ones I heard anyway]. I was particularly pleased to hear many other dialects and accents from people who would not have normally shopped in Liverpool [if u know what I mean].

    Mrs Kev was very impressed and seeme to forget where she was until we reached the other end when she spotted The Hard Days Night Beatles Hotel

    We had our lunch in John Lewis and again, what a fab place to eat. The sun was shining, there was a nice feel about it all. From one side you could see the waterfront, the other side was the Radio City tower between buildings still under contruction, even that was great to look at as you can see the potential of the other phases to suceed in bring people into the area for shopping and entertainment.

    I couldn't find the old dock viewing area though. The one at street level was too dark.

    Driving away made me realise how far this project has come and how better the City Centre is for all the construction projects going on around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Took my first visit to Liverpool One this morning. What a fabulous place!
    [Splutter!] First visit?! An outrage. You should try the underground carpark, Kev, it has the sizzle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.D.W View Post
    [Splutter!] First visit?! An outrage. You should try the underground carpark, Kev, it has the sizzle.
    I Know I know. The thing was, I had visited the construction site almost weekly and I just felt that I'd let the site calm down a bit before I went with the missus. I wanted to make it sort of 'special'.

    I'll check out the car park next time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    I Know I know. The thing was, I had visited the construction site almost weekly and I just felt that I'd let the site calm down a bit before I went with the missus. I wanted to make it sort of 'special'.

    I'll check out the car park next time!
    The carpark is one of the highlights of what's built so far,it's the way it links you up to every part of the development with such ease,defo do it next time Kev.

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    Everton FC are getting their own shopping development. Its gonna be called Everton Nil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Everton FC are getting their own shopping development. Its gonna be called Everton Nil
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    KOROVA Corporation, the North West’s award-winning chain of restaurants and café bars, will be opening their ninth venue on the Liverpool One leisure terrace. Read
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    Very nice, Kev.
    Here's a worm's-eye view of the stairs in the car park.


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