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1- The largest group of grade 1 listed buildings in the country. The dock walls are listed too.
2- The worlds first enclosed dock system.
3- The worlds first hydraulic hoists, costing £1000 in old money.
4- The first dock to be opened by a prince consort.
5- The first dock warehouse built entirely from incumbustable materials, cast iron, stone, brick and galvanised iron roofing.
the river side of the dock was built on sand, and it rises and falls with the tide!
I never new that Louis! Sheesh - u learn something new everyday :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Louis
it was named after prince albert :rolleyes:
only joking (although it was)
it could not provide deep enough water for the new steam ships and trade started to decline during the 1890’s therefore being left idle shortly after until its closure in 1972
Not quite. The size and depth of the dock was fine – in fact the dock is quite big with large ships being able to turn in the dock – the south end docks were smaller than the larger north end docks, yet they were still quite big with quite large ships entering them. The odd large ship still enters Albert. Steam ships required more quay space to load and unload for larger cranes to operate. It was designed for sailing ships which could take the cargo right out and into the warehouses. Roof mounted cranes were considered but thought too costly and I think the structures could not hold the weights involved. The warehouses were always used. The cargo was taken from ships in other adjacent docks to the Albert Dock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lian
Dukes Dock next to Albert had a unique grain warehouse that was near 200 years old when demolished in the early 1960s. The city has done some appalling acts of historical vandalism in its time.
Dukes Dock is now filled in and a concrete stadium and a multi-storey car park being built upon it.
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.o...aa98_04584.jpg
Would be nice to see Hartley's other masterpiece the Stanley Dock renovated.
There was talk of tearing the gigantic tobacco warehouse down. That would be absolute madness no other city in the world would do such a thing.
There must be some imaginative company which could take this on and convert it?
I agree :PDT_Xtremez_12: very poor decision to knock this gem down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
I hope they don't knock the Stanley Dock warehouse down, no way !!
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Originally Posted by Waterways
Duke's Dock was still there this morning when I drove past it.
There was a concrete stadium and mult-storey car park being
built on King's Dock, but we all know that don't we?
You only saw part of Dukes Dock. Dukes Dock originally in theQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Mo;22034
1700s, was nearly as you see it now. It was extended to have a branch off it in a cross shape - one of the old unique grain warehouse was at the end of one
of the legs and ships loaded/unloaded in the dry. The entrance to the branch can still be seen. Look at the old maps. The branch became the dock. Dukes
Dock was also extended into the Wapping Basin, as it is now. This section unofficially became know as Dukes Passage, as it was was a transit passage to
Dukes Dock proper (the cross shape) and Wapping Basin.
It is fair to say Dukes Dock is filled in and the concrete stadium is being built on it.
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Unfortunately it is. See:Quote:
There was a concrete stadium and mult-storey car park being built on King's Dock, but we all
know that don't we?
http://www.saveliverpooldocks.co.uk
Go to:
"King Dock - How not to do it",
on the menu.
Below: the grain warehouse at the end of the branch, which actually became the dock where the work took
place.
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.o...aa98_04584.jpg
Don't forget, it was only the south and north Stanley Dock warehouses that were designed by Hartley - he doesn't take the credit for theQuote:
Originally Posted by Urban
main tobacco warehouse.
There have been proposals for redevelopment of all three warehouses, and there is an illustration somewhere. One of the main
problems with the tobacco warehouse is the fact that the floors are low in height, which would make them unfeasible for most
developments...
http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/r...o/Dsc_0141.jpg
[IMG]http://www.forties-design.co.uk/
l2/reports/images/tobacco/Dsc_0166.jpg[/IMG]
If any of those warehouses were ripped down, it would be truly horrendous! I can deal with the
old grain silo getting the chop, but the warehouses are something else, especially the tobacco warehouse.
EDIT: BTW, I mean the grain silo on Stanley
Dock, not the old one on Dukes Dock - that looked really unique...
They don't look that low to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by snappel
The whole area is in the WHS zone. The Stanley dock is not owned by Peel or
British waterways.
Spappel, oneQuote:
Originally Posted by snappel
thing about your great pics on the forties-design site. At times you don't give an overall picture of the buildings you take pictures of inside. E.g., it
would be nice to have pics of the south warehouse from many angles.
This is something I'm already conscious of! IQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
keep trying to find time to get some decent shots of the outside of the warehouses, in particular the south one. Too many places I visit I don't take
enought time to photograph the outside - it's something I'm trying to work on! Oh, and the site is level-two.co.uk, the forties-design bit is somebody
else's hosting, we just can't get the level-two domain name to mask properly yet...
JB (Waterways) can probably confirm this, but wasn't there a very serious idea of demolishing the Albert Dock in the 70s and replacing it with an office block and underground car park?!
Snappel, your warehouse pics are brilliant! Thanks:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
It was designed by A. G. Lyster and built c1897 to 1901.
125 ft (38 metres) high.
Constructed of 27 million bricks, it was claimed to be the largest single brick building in the world.
It closed in 1980.
The floors are only 7ft 2in (2.2 metres) high because the 77,000 casks were stored in single tiers to avoid breakage.
Source: "Liverpool", by Joseph Sharples.
Harry Hyams of Centre Point in London fame - a shark who pulled out the contractors and left it empty with 24/7 security for years on end until protestors occupied the site and hung massive banners from its floors. The law was changed because of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouserdave
In 1966 Harry Hyams wanted to demolish the Albert Dock, Canning, Salthouse etc, and build four 40 plus floor glass blocks with an underground car park. The docks would be the underground car park so no excavating. Thankfully the crank was turned down, as who knows what would have happened.
Then in the 1970s there was moves to demolish and build a Polytechniique and car park there too.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Nice to see my photies are of some use for your website btw. You're doing a cracking job:PDT_Piratz_26:
The low ceilings has precluded converting the building to apartments up to now. I read that the inside is iron framed and this means that every other alternative floor can be taken, with added strengthening, out to give the height. Not sure if it can though.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
The UK building regs does not specify a minimum ceiling height. 7 foot 2 inches using wall lighting is fine. It is the hanging lights that are the problem in low ceilings, as I know when I smack my head on them in new houses.
A hint. If you use wall lights and insert downlighters, a room appears far higher. Well worth doing. Downlighters in suspended floors require a fireproof surround. Some downlighters now come complete with the fireproof surround.
Fair enough, but they might now be popular... Of course, if they did rip out every other floor, they could built mezzanine style apartments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Thanks Dave, all pics are welcome. There is a guy in Hamburg who will go out and take photos to order for me of Hamburg. The Dutch and Belgian helped in providing info in putting together the excavating water spaces page. The help has been phenomenal from all over the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouserdave
Many were mumbling to themselves and I was the only one who did anything, which struck a chord. The only person who has ever criticised is that silly Martin fella on Skyscrapercity forum, which is full of half-wits anyway. The BBC were looking at the web site this morning.
Moves by Councillor Malcolm Kennedy, whose ward covers much of the docks World Heritage Site, and the Waterloo Quay Tenants Association are in motion to extend the World Heritage Site around Central Docks. This move is to prevent outrageous proposals to in-fill docks by developers who see fast money on generating land and implement large commercial or leisure complexes. Excavation of Trafalgar Dock is also one of the aims.
Trafalgar Dock is partially filled in. Initially it was a temporary measure.
I am working on an in-filled docks page. Pictures are very important. So to all, any old and new pictures of in-filled docks please direct me to them. It will be a before and now type of thing. Highlight what we have lost. The acreage lost in Liverpool and the Wirral is colossal. I am having difficulty gaining the acreage of each dock filled in to get a grand total - probably the equivalent, or more, of Venice.
I will also do one on the Dock Road and how it is not needed and just a hindrance to just about everything
The Waterloo Quay Tenants Association approached me for help in the new canal re-direct link, which is a clear ploy to set up dominoes to in-fill docks. Time is critical as they think Trafalgar will be lost forever, when Peel announce in a blaze of glory their proposal for Central Docks. Which no doubt will have Trafalgar Dock permanently filled in and possibly West Waterloo as well. Dissenting voices may not be heard as the glitz will blind them. Now is the time to act. Time is critical.
BTW, please will all object to the canal re-direction. Hit the link on the signature below.
The point is: Conversion is possible, as many were trying to say it was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by snappel
I think you're being a bit harsh about Martin. I may not always agree with his views, but he has always come across as a nice lad. Regarding skyscrapercity.com, the Scouse lads are just Gothicform's B1tches and they just don't know it. That's their problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways